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LIFTING WEIGHTS!!! Yay or Nay???
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lift slow, throw slow, lift fast, throw fastplyometrics and olympic lifts are the best in my opinion, we aint tryna get beach bodys we tryna be the best porformance athletes we can be
the old saying speed = power, why lift heavy weights for power to increase your speed, when you can do plyometrics and strength weights for speed?
anyway i do either 5x5s as fast as a can with about a minute break between each set. Or light weights for about 20-25 reps, and also do circuits which vary from 20 seconds to a minute on each activity. just my 2c
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Originally posted by Bretto2 View Postlift slow, throw slow, lift fast, throw fastplyometrics and olympic lifts are the best in my opinion, we aint tryna get beach bodys we tryna be the best porformance athletes we can be
the old saying speed = power, why lift heavy weights for power to increase your speed, when you can do plyometrics and strength weights for speed?
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Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostLook at the formula as you yourself has written it. It clearly states that F is a result of m*a.
Exemplum given: a feather and a cannon ball will fall at the same time on the moon, because they have different maximal speed but same accelertion.
Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostNot trying to be a prick, but the part of your quote that I highlighted seriously makes me doubt that you read said book....
I give it again a quick look on google books (there's a big preview there) and I again thought that it spends too much time on weight exercise.... Do you think I am wrong? Having you read it, do you still advice me to read it?
Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostYou don't lift heavy to increase speed, you lift heavy to increase strength.
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Originally posted by mmrooms View Postyes but speed and acceleration are two completely different things.
Exemplum given: a feather and a cannon ball will fall at the same time on the moon, because they have different maximal speed but same accelertion.
Furthermore, ironically enough, you're the one talking about speed from the beginning, when in fact in athletic movement, acceleration is more important (acceleration is how you achieve speed). A punch is not thrown at a constant speed, it is an acceleration all the way through until it hits, for instance.
I don't even understand what you're trying to say with your example, as it is complete nonsense.
Infact I never read it!
I give it again a quick look on google books (there's a big preview there) and I again thought that it spends too much time on weight exercise.... Do you think I am wrong? Having you read it, do you still advice me to read it?
Chapter 10 is called Conversion phase - conversion to power, and is all about plyometrics and so on.
I had read the book the first time I adviced you to read it, and I still advice you to do so.
Trough the ability to call more motor neurons at once, right?
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Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostLook at the formula as you yourself has written it. It clearly states that F is a result of m*a.
Another point: A punch (and any athletic movement, really) is thrown as an accelleration, not at a constant speed.
2. What on earth makes you think a punch can't be thrown at constant speed? Seriously, think about it: if a car hits you going from 1mph to 2mph, won't hurt you more than a car moving at a constant speed of 100mph will it?
For the last time; the acceleration is a RESULT of the force ON the object. The force is NOT a result of the acceleration OF the object. Is that so hard to understand?
No, they are not completely different, without acceleration you get no speed.
Furthermore, ironically enough, you're the one talking about speed from the beginning, when in fact in athletic movement, acceleration is more important (acceleration is how you achieve speed). A punch is not thrown at a constant speed, it is an acceleration all the way through until it hits, for instance.
2. The reason most people throw accelerating punches is because they their fists are by their face for protection, NOT moving. So ofcourse you will need to accelerate to make a high SPEED which is important for punchingpower. (impulse!! NOT force)
I don't even understand what you're trying to say with your example, as it is complete nonsense.
If there is an object under no gravitional unfluence (theoretically of course) it will maintin it's constant speed or it's non moving state.
Anyway; if you wish to truly know how physics works; i suggest you read physics books, rather than pseudo-scientific training books written by idiotic gurus.
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i think that its person to person because i lift 8-12 reps of course but i think that when i lift i control the ring more.... but i also only lift on days when i am off for boxing and i also train for speed anyways so i dont see a differance in speed besides the added speed i gfet from my shadow boxing and training... i just feel more solid and in control... testosterone maybe
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Originally posted by Hearnsz View Post1. I have no idea what kind of reasoning you're using, but it's wrong. An object can ONLY accelerate if there is working a resulting force on it. It's the second law of Newton, and a pretty easy one to understand aswell.
2. What on earth makes you think a punch can't be thrown at constant speed? Seriously, think about it: if a car hits you going from 1mph to 2mph, won't hurt you more than a car moving at a constant speed of 100mph will it?
For the last time; the acceleration is a RESULT of the force ON the object. The force is NOT a result of the acceleration OF the object. Is that so hard to understand?
1. Systems aren't naturally suposed to be not moving like you think. When an object is moving at a constant speed, and there is no resulting force working on it, the system will keep moving in a straight line, at the same constant speed. (first law of Newton) Ofcourse, on earth the system will slow down because of a resulting force, composed by friction and many more forces.
2. The reason most people throw accelerating punches is because they their fists are by their face for protection, NOT moving. So ofcourse you will need to accelerate to make a high SPEED which is important for punchingpower. (impulse!! NOT force)
Every system has the same acceleration when it's under the same gravitational influence. If an object is close to the earth's surface, the system formed by the object and the earth will cause an acceleration of the object, regardless of it's mass. The acceleration depends on the mass of the earth and the distance from it's centre. That's why the acceleration of an object is different on another planet. The reason feathers and golden bars don't accelerate the same on earth is because there are more forces than just the gravitional force working: archimedesforce etc...
If there is an object under no gravitional unfluence (theoretically of course) it will maintin it's constant speed or it's non moving state.
Anyway; if you wish to truly know how physics works; i suggest you read physics books, rather than pseudo-scientific training books written by idiotic gurus.
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