Is the poster "BKM-" right about a 17yo HS wrestler being able to beat prime M Tyson?

[TMLT87]

With all due respect ... posting a video of 2 guys doing controlled sparring in a gym tells me nothing at all about how the moves they are using would work in a street fight against a monster like prime Mike Tyson!

How does it being a controlled sparring session change anything? whats different "on the streets" to prevent any of what you just saw, stuff that is repeatedly successfully implemented in live competition against people that actually have takedown defense?

Honestly man, this is just sad. The top control not being a thing on the streets comment too......man. Go to an MMA gym and do their grappling lessons for a few months for ****s sake.

[kafkod]

I'd be taking out loans and begging for money to bet on Tyson. This is the problem with every BJJ, wrestling, and MMA fan - while correct in assuming that once the fight gets taken to ground the grappler will have the advantage over the boxer - they all presume that the boxer will simply stand still and not throw any punches and let the grappler take him down.

It's like there is some kind of unbreakable rule of street fighting - like the "white moves first" rule in chess - which states that in a fight between a boxer and a grappler, the grappler always gets to make the first move!

[boogbx]

To argue is because you feel superior to a person. I don’t need to argue with somebody blatantly wrong.

I don’t care if that was lebron james at 17 with the finest wrestling training.

Mike Tyson was an undisputed HW boxing champ of the world. The worlds greatest HW boxer in his prime. Do you realize what that means? Do you realize how
Many fighters you have in the world and what it means to be the best? Clearly not as you are basing this on your premise that wrestler > boxer in street fight.

Wrestlers Don’t get punched, Elbowed, Head butted, kicked etc.

Boxers especially Mike Tyson are trained to do all these things minus kicking. Considering Tyson had tree trunk legs, it’s safe to say a regular
Kick from the guy would do damage.

But does that wrestler have the reflexes to not see a punch coming from the world HW champ?

Do you realize boxers are taught great movement as well
To Avoid strikes, take downs etc?
Boxers are universally known as the best athletes on earth.

Tyson got KO power in both hands and the strength, athleticism and conditioning of an elite athlete.

A former street fighter that is known for a great chin and toughness, would beast a 17 y/o child.

Whoever made this thread just wanted to be fresh and controversial. Trying to bring an unnecessary spotlight to wrestling.

Also I’m very familiar with BJJ, wrestling and street fights.

Don’t use those arguments with me.

[TMLT87]

They also all presume that there is some kind of unbreakable street fighting rule - like the "white moves first" rule in chess - which states that in a fight between a boxer and a grappler, the grappler always gets to make the first move!

So basically what youre saying is a pro boxer can win a street fight...if he sucker punches someone? no ****! you can also beat a grappler if you have a gun, a knife or buddies that appear from the bar and start kicking the guy in the head while hes grabbing you. I dont think anyones arguing against that.

[kafkod]

How does it being a controlled sparring session change anything? .

[kafkod]

So basically what youre saying is a pro boxer can win a street fight...if he sucker punches someone? no ****! you can also beat a grappler if you have a gun, a knife or buddies that appear from the bar and start kicking the guy in the head while hes grabbing you. I dont think anyones arguing against that.

So that's the rule then ... the boxer has to wait for the grappler to try and take him down before he's allowed to throw a punch.

Otherwise, it's a sucker punch, and he'll get disqualified by the non existent referee?

[TMLT87]

In other words, you cant awnser the question. Its already been established that these techniques are pressure tested and applied in live competition as well. I guess when "on the street" the wrestler suddenly stops trying to quickly and fluidly chain takedowns together in a way that would make kick/knees or downward strikes extremely hard to land and would instead half heartedly shoot in, then get on his knees and say "please kick me in the head"....

Does a jab magically stop working when you arent inside a boxing ring?

So that's the rule then ... the boxer has to wait for the grappler to try and take him down before he's allowed to throw a punch.

Otherwise, it's a sucker punch, and he'll get disqualified by the non existent referee?

No, we are talking about a fight where the only rules are its 1 vs 1, unarmed and both guys start from a position where they know they're in a fight so nobody gets caught off guard.

The only way the boxer has a reliable opportunity to hit the other guy and KO him before being taken down is with a sucker punch. Its a given that a boxer can win under those conditions, anyone can beat anyone if youre taking someones head off as theyre halfway through a sentence.

[Szef]

I've said it once and I'll say it again

The dorks who say fighter a would take the fighter b down in a street fight never been in a street fight themselves

Most MMA fans are dorks based on my interactions with them. It's like talking to the wall

[fighter1234]

I've said it once and I'll say it again

The dorks who say fighter a would take the fighter b down in a street fight never been in a street fight themselves

Most MMA fans are dorks based on my interactions with them. It's like talking to the wall

It's like they want to feel special because they took a few MMA classes. "Hey look I can beat a heavyweight champ because I took down some fat pimple faced dork in wrestling class". **** is cringe.

[Szef]

With all due respect ... posting a video of 2 guys doing controlled sparring in a gym tells me nothing at all about how the moves they are using would work in a street fight against a monster like prime Mike Tyson!

How does it being a controlled sparring session change anything? whats different "on the streets" to prevent any of what you just saw, stuff that is repeatedly successfully implemented in live competition against people that actually have takedown defense?

Honestly man, this is just sad. The top control not being a thing on the streets comment too......man. Go to an MMA gym and do their grappling lessons for a few months for ****s sake.

I wouldn't bother if I was you kafkod