Is the poster "BKM-" right about a 17yo HS wrestler being able to beat prime M Tyson?

[kafkod]

In other words, you cant awnser the question. Its already been established that these techniques are pressure tested and applied in live competition as well. I guess when "on the street" the wrestler suddenly stops trying to quickly and fluidly chain takedowns together in a way that would make kick/knees or downward strikes extremely hard to land and would instead half heartedly shoot in, then get on his knees and say "please kick me in the head"....

Does a jab magically stop working when you arent inside a boxing ring?



No, we are talking about a fight where the only rules are its 1 vs 1, unarmed and both guys start from a position where they know they're in a fight so nobody gets caught off guard.

The only way the boxer has a reliable opportunity to hit the other guy and KO him before being taken down is with a sucker punch. Its a given that a boxer can win under those conditions, anyone can beat anyone if youre taking someones head off as theyre halfway through a sentence.

In that situation, I would put my house on Tyson nailing the wrestler and laying him out cold before the wrestler got half way close to taking him down.

Be realistic .. Tyson would KO him in a flash, literally in the blink of an eye.

[BKM-]

I wouldn't bother if I was you kafkod

No, he shouldn't. Because the more he opens his mouth the more he exposes his complete lack of knowledge much like yourself.

It comes down to this, your primitive arguments are claims that the boxer would win by techniques which he has no clue how to use(leg strikes etc.) or one in a million timing of a lucky punch which somehow they can't even do in boxing matches against opponents who clinch them with no trouble.

Two really brilliant arguments indeed.

And our arguments are based on proven, detailed, realistic techniques which the grappler can and will use in a real fight.

Imagine if an MMA forum saw this thread, the amount of laughs it would produce. This is like a thread from 2003 not 2020. Boxing purists never evolve.

[kafkod]

I wouldn't bother if I was you kafkod

You're right, there's no reasoning with grappling fans.

[BKM-]

It's like they want to feel special because they took a few MMA classes. "Hey look I can beat a heavyweight champ because I took down some fat pimple faced dork in wrestling class". **** is cringe.

Nothing special at all about being able to beat a pure boxer if you're trained in grappling.

The biggest book nerd in the world could kill a Bull Elephant, the baddest land animal on the planet, with one bullet. Nothing special about that either.

[kafkod]

And our arguments are based on proven techniques which the grappler can and will use in a real fight.

With rules and a referee to enforce them. Which wouldn't exist in the kind of real fight we are discussing here.

[TMLT87]

The dorks who say fighter a would take the fighter b down in a street fight never been in a street fight themselves

Been in a lot of street fights with trained wrestlers and/or BJJ guys have you?

"that random untrained drunk guy didnt try to double leg me so obviously wrestling doesnt work on the streets"

In that situation, I would put my house on Tyson nailing the wrestler and laying him out cold before the wrestler got half way close to taking him down.

Be realistic .. Tyson would KO him in a flash, literally in the blink of an eye.

Tyson is actually relatively well equipped to be difficult to take down compared to most boxers, because of his stocky low center of gravity build and his explosive power from in close.

But even still....no, most of the time hes getting put on his back and mauled. If one guy has to simply survive being KOd as he moves to clinching range, and the other has to 100% finish the fight in the miniscule window of time that his opponent is in punching range, the odds are HEAVILY in the formers favor. Thats without even factoring in that a double or single leg can be initiated from outside of punching range and comes in under punching range.

[BKM-]

With rules and a referee to enforce them. Which wouldn't exist in the kind of real fight we are discussing here.

So a boxer can't punch without having a ref and rules?

You're becoming more ******ed with every post.

The only one who has to worry about no rules/ring setting is the boxer. Like I said the most critical difference is the concrete floor. Even the weakest takedown on concrete will incapacitate the boxer.

[kafkod]

Nothing special at all about being able to beat a pure boxer if you're trained in grappling.

The biggest book nerd in the world could kill a Bull Elephant, the baddest land animal on the planet, with one bullet. Nothing special about that either.

You are seriously comparing grappling techniques to an elephant gun?




Trust me, you have as much chance of killing an elephant without a gun as you would have of beating Mike Tyson in a street fight!

[BKM-]

You are seriously comparing grappling techniques to an elephant gun?




Trust me, you have as much chance of killing an elephant without a gun as you would have of beating Mike Tyson in a street fight

No, it's easier to kill an Elephant bare handed than for Tyson to beat a grappler, or for you to score above 80 on an IQ test.

[Bunch Pag]

Some people are talking as if it's just Prime Tyson 'the boxer' up against a wrestler in a street fight..

Tyson was more than that,, I'm sure Tyson's street fighting was more than standing toe to toe and getting split up once hands and teeth got sunk into the dude he's robbing or sorting out..

I know who id rather bump into on a dark night..