Is the poster "BKM-" right about a 17yo HS wrestler being able to beat prime M Tyson?

[Bunch Pag]

Tyson was more than a boxer.. he was a fighter on the streets too. He'll know his way round..

[kafkod]

Somebody already responded to that in this thread, so again the old rules helped the grapplers far more than it did the strikers.

Only soccer kicks/knees to downed opponents helped the [B]kickboxers/mau thai strikers], not the boxers since they can't kick[/B. But it works both ways because if the wrestler did get you down, he was free to knee or kick your arse while you were down and completely controlled, making the grappler much more deadly.

Not to mention headbutts and 12:6 elbows which made the grappler even more deadly when he had top control, was also part of the old rules.

So you really got it backwards pal.

What are you smoking fella?

Anybody can kick or stamp on anybody else's head if they are standing upright and the other guy is in the ground in front of them, after shooting for a low leg take down and failing to nail it.

And there is no such thing as "top control" in the context of a street fight. Top control only exists in fights with rules and a referee!

In the street, with no rules, and no ref, you are never in control until the fight is over and you're on your way home.

Street fighting is for thugs, mugs and maniacs. And there's no bigger mug than a guy at a boxing forum talking about having "top control" of a young Mike Tyson in a street fight!

[TMLT87]

Prime Mike Tyson was not some random 400-0 street ninja. One hammer blow to the back of Royce Gracie's head or neck from a prime Mike Tyson would have put him out like a light, possibly permanently.

The window of opportunity to do it probably wont even be there. The moment he takes you down hes already moving into some other **** and controlling you. Hes not just there totally static conveniently putting his head on a platter for you and letting you smash the back of his skull in. People have these theoretical notions of how to deal with something but if you actually pressure test it it rarely works out how you thought it would.

If you wanna deal with a grappler, learn to grapple. Great takedown defense or a strong sweep/sub game off your back, or both. The other **** will not work often enough to be able to rely on it.

[BKM-]

What are you smoking fella?

Anybody can kick or stamp on anybody else's head if they are standing upright and the other guy is in the ground in front of them, after shooting for a low leg take down and failing to nail it.

Kicking effectively takes a lot of skill and training. A pure boxer will hurt his own leg a lot more than his opponent if he attempts kicks.

I know because I was once that pure boxer who started learning kicks. You don't know what you're talking about.

And there is no such thing as "top control" in the context of a street fight. Top control only exists in fights with rules and a referee!

Top control is a term in grappling/mma which indicates that a grappler is on top of his grounded opponent, effectively controlling him. Any other grappling terms you're unfamiliar with that you'd like me to explain to you?

In the street, with no rules, and no ref, you are never in control until the fight is over and you're on your way home.

And once the grappler has snapped all of the boxer's arms and legs or choked him unconcious does he have control then? Or does it still not count "cuz its da streetz"?

[kafkod]

Tyson doesn't wrestle. He punches very fast and hard. If the wrestler can get Tyson down without Tyson landing a punch then he might win. More likely Tyson does land a punch before the wrestler can get him down. One clean bare knuckle tyson bomb and the wrestler is either KOed or badly staggered enough for Tyson to land a second punch which KOs the wrestler. I think Tyson would ko the wrestler in about 2 seconds.

I have no doubt at all that the best attribute to have in a street fight is the ability to knock anybody spark out, in a split second, with one punch from either hand. Tyson had that ability.

[LetOutTheCage]

That person is an idiot.

[kafkod]

The window of opportunity to do it probably wont even be there. The moment he takes you down hes already moving into some other **** and controlling you. Hes not just there totally static conveniently putting his head on a platter for you and letting you smash the back of his skull in. People have these theoretical notions of how to deal with something but if you actually pressure test it it rarely works out how you thought it would.

If you wanna deal with a grappler, learn to grapple. Great takedown defense or a strong sweep/sub game off your back, or both. The other **** will not work often enough to be able to rely on it.

The best take down defence is the one you are not allowed to use in either wrestling or MMA - downward strikes to the back of the head and neck of somebody who is stooped over in front of you grabbing at your legs or waist.

[TMLT87]

What are you smoking fella?

Anybody can kick or stamp on anybody else's head if they are standing upright and the other guy is in the ground in front of them, after shooting for a low leg take down and failing to nail it.

This is what actually happens most of the time when a trained wrestler fails the initial takedown attempt, they dont just sit there contemplating while you punt their head off.

The best take down defence is the one you are not allowed to use in either wrestling or MMA - downward strikes to the back of the head and neck of somebody who is stooped over in front of you grabbing at your legs or waist.

And there is no such thing as "top control" in the context of a street fight. Top control only exists in fights with rules and a referee!

Not to be a **** bro, all due respect, but its so ****ing obvious you have never wrestled or done BJJ, and know **** all about it lol. These statements are almost on the level of some random chick watching Canelo and being like "why dont they punch him with both hands at the same time? he couldnt dodge that".

[kafkod]

Kicking effectively takes a lot of skill and training. A pure boxer will hurt his own leg a lot more than his opponent if he attempts kicks.

Not so. High kicks take a lot of skill and training. Any fit guy with shoes or boots on his feet - we are talking street fights here, remember - can deliver hard, effective kicks up to waist height without any training at all.

[kafkod]

This is what actually happens most of the time when a trained wrestler fails the initial takedown attempt, they dont just sit there contemplating while you punt their head off.







Not to be a **** bro, all due respect, but its so ****ing obvious you have never wrestled or done BJJ, and know **** all about it lol. These statements are almost on the level of some random chick watching Canelo and being like "why dont they punch him with both hands at the same time? he couldnt dodge that".

With all due respect ... posting a video of 2 guys doing controlled sparring in a gym tells me nothing at all about how the moves they are using would work in a street fight against a monster like prime Mike Tyson!