Is the poster "BKM-" right about a 17yo HS wrestler being able to beat prime M Tyson?

[kafkod]

No you havent.

Yes I have.

[TMLT87]

Yes I have.

If you had you wouldnt be thinking you can neutralize wrestling by trying to bite or eye gouge someone from off your back.

[Tatabanya]

You on the other hand are pushing 60 and still are the same Tyson fanboy you were when you first got into boxing.

In the early 70s, when I got into boxing, Tyson was a toddler.

[BKM-]

I have sparred with moderately decent grapplers, including a jiu jitsu black belt.

That's your second lie in this thread. You have no self-respect do you?

To what should I respond? I use my little finger to play here, and not only with you.

Do you really think I take someone like you seriously? Someone who pontificates about evolution with a Rocky Balboa gif as a signature?

And, did anybody ever tell you that the concept of truth varies for each and every human being?

You've already shown that you're not above typing paragraphs of arguments, you've taken me plenty serious up untill I dissected your situation and you had no retort. I take this as your way of conceding.

Fine. But answer me this if you can, do you have no intention of ever changing? Or are you fine with being stuck in your hole of mediocrity?

You're the one who came here and went back in time, so I will also tell you that the old men in the history section in 2006 would not have gotten along with you. The folks who go to the next level of boxing knowledge grow out of idolizing Mike Tyson.

This is why I was so surprised when you told me your age, because I've spoken to many older gentleman who were experts of boxing and none of them idolized Mike Tyson. For one you shouldn't idolize any man, but truly nobody at that level ranks Tyson highly. Because that's reality. He's a myth.

[Tatabanya]

You've already shown that you're not above typing paragraphs of arguments, you've taken me plenty serious up untill I dissected your situation and you had no retort. I take this as your way of conceding.

Fine. But answer me this if you can, do you have no intention of ever changing? Or are you fine with being stuck in your hole of mediocrity?

You're the one who came here and went back in time, so I will also tell you that the old men in the history section in 2006 would not have gotten along with you. The folks who go to the next level of boxing knowledge grow out of idolizing Mike Tyson.

This is why I was so surprised when you told me your age, because I've spoken to many older gentleman who were experts of boxing and none of them idolized Mike Tyson. For one you shouldn't idolize any man, but truly nobody at that level ranks Tyson highly. Because that's reality. He's a myth.

I like writing when I have some time, and - in spurts - you do appear as a decent and intelligent person. In those moments I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I have no problem with anyone who hates Tyson. But I do have fun poking at you, as you seem to have had some sort of Tyson-related traumatic experience which brings you to attack him everywhere. That's what's interesting to me, this kind of Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde attitude that you show in the threads.

Still, I never, ever was mad at you for that, and - believe me - always laugh inside when you play psychologist with me. And also when you want to have our "war of words" won at any cost. Other than that, I do want to take you seriously.

Idolizing... well, you have to study the actual definition of "idolizing". One thing is discussing an athlete with people who might or might not agree with one's point of view, another being a blind fan who doesn't know shìt about the object of discussion. If you hated, say, Azumah Nelson - another fighter I loved very much - we'd be here arguing just the same.

So the answer to your question is: I do not have any "intention" of changing, because change comes naturally as the years elapse, you do not need to wake up one morning and "plan" a change. I have mellowed a lot in the last twenty years for many things that I considered fundamental, then I saw that they aren't. But, on the other hand, I have become less tolerant towards other issues. I think that this is pretty normal.

I wonder what's missing in your life that makes you so eager to distance yourself from what you call "mediocrity". Mediocrity surrounds all of us, you know; it's almost impossible to avoid it. There comes a point when you'll have to accept compromises just to go on. Even with your very self. But when you are sure about your actual essence, the core of your being, you feel no need to fight anyone, especially for silly reasons.

[eco1]

My friend in the Caribbean who is special forces and was 8 years in a row national selection (judo) whom which I learnt most of what I know of personal defense besides Kendo and G RYU, once told me the most intriguing street fight for him would be a boxer.
Karate dudes and the like, he laughed about them as we did back then in the university, but Boxers have incredible stamina and timing and distance. You need to get close to get them and they might time you in and boom.

Also, they don't get tired easily and if the fight lasts a few minutes, you are really in for trouble.

I was very good at martial arts and judo. I can take most people out on a street fight, but if the guy is a boxer, mmmm, I would think about it twice just because of the stamina issue and their distance and timing.

It is very difficult to predict the outcome of any fight as sometimes LUCK has a lot to do with it and sometimes it doesn't . First guy who makes a mistake is either KO'ed or has a broken arm in less than a second.

[2Shotz]

I was a 17 year old high school wrestler at heavyweight. Won a few tournaments. Trained hard. I never ever would have willingly faced Mike Tyson b/c I would get beat or killed.

[BKM-]

I like writing when I have some time, and - in spurts - you do appear as a decent and intelligent person. In those moments I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I have no problem with anyone who hates Tyson. But I do have fun poking at you, as you seem to have had some sort of Tyson-related traumatic experience which brings you to attack him everywhere. That's what's interesting to me, this kind of Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde attitude that you show in the threads.

Still, I never, ever was mad at you for that, and - believe me - always laugh inside when you play psychologist with me. And also when you want to have our "war of words" won at any cost. Other than that, I do want to take you seriously.

Idolizing... well, you have to study the actual definition of "idolizing". One thing is discussing an athlete with people who might or might not agree with one's point of view, another being a blind fan who doesn't know shìt about the object of discussion. If you hated, say, Azumah Nelson - another fighter I loved very much - we'd be here arguing just the same.

So the answer to your question is: I do not have any "intention" of changing, because change comes naturally as the years elapse, you do not need to wake up one morning and "plan" a change. I have mellowed a lot in the last twenty years for many things that I considered fundamental, then I saw that they aren't. But, on the other hand, I have become less tolerant towards other issues. I think that this is pretty normal.

I wonder what's missing in your life that makes you so eager to distance yourself from what you call "mediocrity". Mediocrity surrounds all of us, you know; it's almost impossible to avoid it. There comes a point when you'll have to accept compromises just to go on. Even with your very self. But when you are sure about your actual essence, the core of your being, you feel no need to fight anyone, especially for silly reasons.

See I know you do have some wisdom to share. I try to push your buttons sometimes to see it come out like this.

but Boxers have incredible stamina and timing and distance. You need to get close to get them and they might time you in and boom.

Also, they don't get tired easily and if the fight lasts a few minutes, you are really in for trouble.

Actually in this matchup they have terrible stamina because striking stamina is different than grappling stamina. Incredibly different in fact, it's one of the first problems(of many) a pure boxer would face against a grappler.

I would encourage any boxer here to take a wrestling class. Nothing is more exhausting than an active wrestling match.

It goes both ways too, one dimensional grapplers who are unable to take the fight to the ground in MMA and forced to strike, tire out quickly too despite having great grappling stamina.

It will be based on who can force the other to fight his fight, and pure boxers can't defend takedowns so they're F'd against grapplers.

[LoadedWraps]

If you asked me to bet money on that fight, I would sell everything I own and put my money on Tyson. People think that boxers are just one-dimensional punchers with no athletic ability outside of a left jab and right hand. A prime Mike Tyson would be a lot stronger than the average 17 year old wrestler, and that wrestler would only have one chance to get it perfect. I don't see that happening.

Tyson would kill at 17 year old wrestler right now.

You're right in that many people just don't understand boxing AT ALL and think because you only throw hands, you are somehow helpless in a street fight. Its clear lack of experience and ignorance.

Another mistake people like you make, since you made a comment about it in another thread, is many people (probably people sub 30) think a guy who is 50 is some leaf to be blown over. It doesn't even have to be Tyson. I'd put money on ANY professional or ex professional fighter, even amateur fighters, who are in combat shape at 50, over any champion high school wrestler. You're still a boy going up against a grown man. The kids who do have "real" fight experience at that age are almost certainly not in environments where they can join high school sports.

[Tatabanya]

See I know you do have some wisdom to share. I try to push your buttons sometimes to see it come out like this.

Well, if I did my maths correctly you were born in 1991 - the year of the Tyson vs Ruddock double whammy - so you can't be THAT bad after all!

Seriously, and not only because you could be my son: you'll see for yourself that, after a certain age - let's say 45/48 - revisiting the remnants of your juvenile fun will gradually become a not-so-guilty pleasure. Unless someone gets killed, there's no problem with that. But always with both feet well planted in the present day, of course - nostalgia be damned.