Is the poster "BKM-" right about a 17yo HS wrestler being able to beat prime M Tyson?

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Wrestlers are one dimensional fish out of water when it comes to anything resembling a real fight. Look at how Masvidal flying kneed one of the greatest wrestlers ever in Ben Askren. Fight lasted like 4 seconds. They have no defense for strikes and a Tyson strike is as devastating as a Masvidal knee. The guy took out two guys at the same time once so some kid would be a piece of cake.

[SUBZER0ED]

First of all Hitman, if you weren't holding a 40 in one hand and a fat blunt in the other, you wouldn't have given this delusion much thought at all. Second, BKM doesn't know what Tyson knows or how he would have approached a street fight with a 17 year old hs wrestler. After making the kid piss his pants with a vicious snarl, Mike probably would have laughed it off, signed an autograph for him and went on his merry way.

[LoadedWraps]

The irony of a boxing purist calling others naive about real fighting is priceless.

You guys still have the same argumentation of the 2000s. Unevolved nonsensical theories.

So, tell me exactly which rules have come into play that prevent strikers from beating grapplers(I'll just ignore the reality that it is the opposite but nvm for now, this should be good). You've got the floor.

Equally ironic is MMA heads delusions that boxing is somehow more one dimensional than wrestling.

MMA is not real fighting, certainly not really closer than boxing. Both have rules and disallow most variables present in fights outside of controlled environments. Ignoring this is foolish.

And I spent 6 years in the military training in self defense and we used quite a bit of what is know known as MMA. I know how to defend takedowns, I know how to maneuver on my back, i know the fundamentals of ground work well enough to handle my own if I had to roll with any MMA fighter. I also am an amateur boxer and have been boxing for 15 years. People oversell the idea that boxers are easy to take down, and oversell the idea that a fight is over once it hits the ground. It's not easy to take down a fighter of any discipline with even basic takedown defense. This isn't the early 2000s where jujitsu is largely some mystery to the masses, takedown defense isn't some secret lost art here. If you have good boxing fundamentals and are fit and in fighting shape, it's pretty easy to pick up. Athletic athletes (you can be an athlete, even professional, and lack athleticism) can pick up things pretty quickly.

I won't undervalue what wrestling is, but the idea that a boxer has "one shot" and it's over if they miss, is really ignorant to the dynamics of fighting period, disciplines aside.

****** confirmed.

how is biting going to stop a low single? unless you trained exact take-down defense. no street move stops a take-down.

who is going to have the advantage even with biting. the guy on top or the guy on the bottom?

the guy on top can throw elbows. headbutts. and literally beat the guy on the bottom to death while pinning him to the ground.

I've been trained in both.

My boxing acumen far supercedes my training in ground work and take down defense but I promise you it won't be easy to get me down, and it isn't as simple as wailing on you when you are on the bottom. I can still defend myself, protect myself, and hit back, even if it gets to that point.

[Rusty Tromboni]

At 182 or above, and qualifies for States in the Mid Atlantic then definitely.


The fact that this is a thread shows how delusional Boxers and Boxing fans are.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Wrestlers are one dimensional fish out of water when it comes to anything resembling a real fight. Look at how Masvidal flying kneed one of the greatest wrestlers ever in Ben Askren. Fight lasted like 4 seconds. They have no defense for strikes and a Tyson strike is as devastating as a Masvidal knee. The guy took out two guys at the same time once so some kid would be a piece of cake.

I'm an Anaconda in your mom's mouth, though.

[Rusty Tromboni]

First of all Hitman, if you weren't holding a 40 in one hand and a fat blunt in the other, you wouldn't have given this delusion much thought at all. Second, BKM doesn't know what Tyson knows or how he would have approached a street fight with a 1 mi7 year old hs wrestler. After making the kid piss his pants with a vicious snarl, Mike probably would have laughed it off, signed an autograph for him and went on his merry way.

When I was 17 , if you snarled at me my forehead was going through your face.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Equally ironic is MMA heads delusions that boxing is somehow more one dimensional than wrestling.

MMA is not real fighting, certainly not really closer than boxing. Both have rules and disallow most variables present in fights outside of controlled environments. Ignoring this is foolish.

And I spent 6 years in the military training in self defense and we used quite a bit of what is know known as MMA. I know how to defend takedowns, I know how to maneuver on my back, i know the fundamentals of ground work well enough to handle my own if I had to roll with any MMA fighter. I also am an amateur boxer and have been boxing for 15 years. People oversell the idea that boxers are easy to take down, and oversell the idea that a fight is over once it hits the ground. It's not easy to take down a fighter of any discipline with even basic takedown defense. This isn't the early 2000s where jujitsu is largely some mystery to the masses, takedown defense isn't some secret lost art here. If you have good boxing fundamentals and are fit and in fighting shape, it's pretty easy to pick up. Athletic athletes (you can be an athlete, even professional, and lack athleticism) can pick up things pretty quickly.

I won't undervalue what wrestling is, but the idea that a boxer has "one shot" and it's over if they miss, is really ignorant to the dynamics of fighting period, disciplines aside.




I've been trained in both.

My boxing acumen far supercedes my training in ground work and take down defense but I promise you it won't be easy to get me down, and it isn't as simple as wailing on you when you are on the bottom. I can still defend myself, protect myself, and hit back, even if it gets to that point.

And it's idiots like this who get fu.cked up on any given weekend.


Boxing is NOT fighting!)!@!


You idiots need to stop thinking that.


And with all my jujitsu training, and striking, guess what the first thing I'm gonna do to you if you try me. I'm going to slam you into the cement.

[eco1]

See I know you do have some wisdom to share. I try to push your buttons sometimes to see it come out like this.



Actually in this matchup they have terrible stamina because striking stamina is different than grappling stamina. Incredibly different in fact, it's one of the first problems(of many) a pure boxer would face against a grappler.

I would encourage any boxer here to take a wrestling class. Nothing is more exhausting than an active wrestling match.

It goes both ways too, one dimensional grapplers who are unable to take the fight to the ground in MMA and forced to strike, tire out quickly too despite having great grappling stamina.

It will be based on who can force the other to fight his fight, and pure boxers can't defend takedowns so they're F'd against grapplers.

Read again what I said:

Distance, stamina. The one who imposes his style first wins.

It is more the dog in the fight than the kind of fight.

[LoadedWraps]

And it's idiots like this who get fu.cked up on any given weekend.


Boxing is NOT fighting!)!@!


You idiots need to stop thinking that.


And with all my jujitsu training, and striking, guess what the first thing I'm gonna do to you if you try me. I'm going to slam you into the cement.

Its certainly fighting but not street fighting which was what I meant to say.

I'm a combat vet and licensed am. I'm not getting ****ed up on any weekend my dude. Don't bark up the wrong tree.

The very idea that you would simply slam me without my doing anything about it is hilarious.

[kafkod]

If you had you wouldnt be thinking you can neutralize wrestling by trying to bite or eye gouge someone from off your back.

Biting and eye gouging could certainly neutralize wrestling from any position!

You can also neutralise wrestling by being stronger, faster and fitter than the wrestler.

Learning wrestling does not turn a man into superman.