Comments Thread For: Nacho Feels Canelo is Not P4P Best, Not One of Best Ever From Mexico

[batista84]

You would need to be very ignorant of boxing matters to even classify Canelo as pound for pound material. The guy is not and Canelo would be having 5 or more losses if he was not being favoured by judges. Canelo would also be having even more losses had he been matched with some of the best in every division of his. There was really no need to fight the likes of Amir Khan among others.

I respectuflly disagree with you.

Austin Trout - 154 WBA undefeated champion
Floyd Mayweather - Undefeated #1 P4P boxer.
Erislandy Lara - Arguably the best 154 of the world, got robbed of his undefeated record vs Willilams
Kirkland - Came in from a 5 winning KO streak
Cotto - 160 MW Champ - Came from a 3 winning KO streak
Smith - 154 WBO undefeated champ
GGG - 160 WBC, WBA, IFF undefeated champion
Fielding - 168 WBA regular champ
Jacobs - 160 IBF champ
Kovalev - 175 WBO champ

Mosley was old as hell still Alvarez was 22 when he faced him

5 or More lose is BIAS, you ask me honestly I had him losing the Lara fight and the first GGG fight, that would be 3 loses.

What other fight did he lose via robbery? The Trout fight was a close one, the second GGG fight was a close one, the Jacobs fight was a close one but IMHO he deserved those victories.

Weren't Trout and Lara the biggest threats on the 154 division when he faced them?

Wasn't GGG the biggest dominant undefeated unified champion when he faced him?

Kovalev might be past his prime still he stopped and undefeated and powerful 175 in Yarde so you need start giving credit where is due.

Regardless of what you say Canelo has too many controversial fights to be pound for pound. You need to dominate fights and come out convincingly as the winner consistently not leaving people thinking you were favoured. Look at people like Roy Jones and Mayweather, you might not like their style or personality but you can’t deny they beat their opponents.

It's better to come as a victor in a close fight with a top tier guy than dominate a low level guy. Let me ask you a question and I expect you to answer it, Does beating Horn, Benavidez Jr and Kavaluskas makes you #1 P4P? Crawford has not done anything in the last 2 years to still be no.1 Canelo would stop that kind of opposition ala Rocky Fielding.

Roy Jones did not dominate Tarver on that first fight......
Mayweather had his close fights too, look at the Castillo 1, Cotto, Maidana 1, Augustus.

Every great P4P fighter had either a loss or close fights so stop with that narrative.

[Greenfield02]

Let me guess, Nacho thinks Juan M. Marquez is the greatest fighter Mexico has seen... I agree Salvador Sanchez and JC Chavez are the greatest boxers from Mexico, that being said I'm not going to judge or rate Canelo until he actually finishes up his career. Even though Canelo has fought not so good fighters ( mostly early in his career), he also has fought really good fighters and has accomplished a lot, but still has more opportunities to become one of the best, so let's reserve judgement until he's done. Nacho just hates Canelo, along with Marquez, IDK if it's because he's white, but I definitely sense some racist undertones from both Nacho and Marquez. As far as Canelo being protected, it's all hog wash usually brought up by haters, Canelo has one of the best resumes amongst the P4P list, Mayweather, Lara, Trout, Cotto, Mosley, GGG, Jacobs, Kovalev, ect etc, I mean your going to tell me, even though great boxers in their own respect, Loma or Crawford have a better resume? I just don't see it.

[champion4ever]

The one thing we do know is that Canelo is one cheating ass son of a bitch.

[batista84]

I'm a HUGE Canelo fan and hes among the BEST fighters TODAY. But all-time he isn't relevant. Unpopular opinion...prime DLH beats prime Canelo at 154 or 160. DLH could fight man

Canelo arguably LOST to Lara, Trout, GGG1, and clearly lost to Floyd. Cotto was a decent win and GGG2 couldve been a draw IMHO.

Among all-timers that just doesnt cut it.

Any PFP list TODAY must start with a combination of Loma, Crawford, and Inoue. Those 3 have dominated everyone - across weight divisions - and continue to look for biggest fights

Does beating Horn, Benavidez Jr, and Kavaliuskas makes you top P4P?

Pedraza, Crolla, Campbell makes you top P4P?

Inoue having a tough fight with an old past his prime Donaire?

[BlackR0bbb]

Even Nacho knows that this Golden Boy-protected coward has avoided Andrade for years and fled the light heavyweight division as soon as Kovalev took that dive and handed him a fake belt. He wanted no parts of Beterbiev or Bivol. But the Canelo fan girls will tell you he has the greatest resume in the world and can bend Titanium with his bare hands.

[eco1]

I am sure if I fight a 90 pounds guy, I will win by KO. I am 190.
That is how I feel about Canelo.

[batista84]

But, seeing how long Nacho has been in boxing and how much he's accomplished & contributed specifically to Mexican boxing, you have to come to terms with the fact that there's plenty of validity in what he's saying.

Problem with your statement is that is not valid on an objective field, that is his opinion and only that, Stephen Edwards thinks that Canelo is gonna be one of Mexico's best, same with Roberto Duran, same with a lot of trainers, fighters or boxing historians who think very highly of Canelo.

I respect Beristain's opinion but it's that only his opinion, his opinion is not the truth.

[batista84]

Zarate was a knockout artist with limited ability. He came up way short when he stepped up in competition. He was KO's by Zaragoza, and Wilfredo Lopez and lost to Pintor and Fenech. And yes I am old enough to have seen those fights. As for Olivares, he was knocked out by Danny (Little Red Lopez) who in turn was destroyed twice by Salvador Sanchez. Olivares was also knocked out by Pedroza. And let us not forget he was also knocked out by Ignacio Madrid (who?) and that all-time great Rafael Gandaria (Ganda Who?) He was KO'd and totally embarrassed by Alexis Arguello, as well as KO'd by Rafael Herrera and Art Hafey. Plus he had a bunch of other non-KO losses. If Canelo had his miserable record, he would be rightfully be considered a journeyman boxer rather than elite. Oh yes, I saw Olivarez fight too. ATG he was not. These guys who post nonsense are clueless and are proud to display their ignorance.

That's some nice knowledge. I'm so uneducated when it comes to old school boxing, the only guys I followed their careers were the the fantastic four.

[mlac]

I respectuflly disagree with you.

Austin Trout - 154 WBA undefeated champion
Floyd Mayweather - Undefeated #1 P4P boxer.
Erislandy Lara - Arguably the best 154 of the world, got robbed of his undefeated record vs Willilams
Kirkland - Came in from a 5 winning KO streak
Cotto - 160 MW Champ - Came from a 3 winning KO streak
Smith - 154 WBO undefeated champ
GGG - 160 WBC, WBA, IFF undefeated champion
Fielding - 168 WBA regular champ
Jacobs - 160 IBF champ
Kovalev - 175 WBO champ

Mosley was old as hell still Alvarez was 22 when he faced him

5 or More lose is BIAS, you ask me honestly I had him losing the Lara fight and the first GGG fight, that would be 3 loses.

What other fight did he lose via robbery? The Trout fight was a close one, the second GGG fight was a close one, the Jacobs fight was a close one but IMHO he deserved those victories.

Weren't Trout and Lara the biggest threats on the 154 division when he faced them?

Wasn't GGG the biggest dominant undefeated unified champion when he faced him?

Kovalev might be past his prime still he stopped and undefeated and powerful 175 in Yarde so you need start giving credit where is due.




It's better to come as a victor in a close fight with a top tier guy than dominate a low level guy. Let me ask you a question and I expect you to answer it, Does beating Horn, Benavidez Jr and Kavaluskas makes you #1 P4P? Crawford has not done anything in the last 2 years to still be no.1 Canelo would stop that kind of opposition ala Rocky Fielding.

Roy Jones did not dominate Tarver on that first fight......
Mayweather had his close fights too, look at the Castillo 1, Cotto, Maidana 1, Augustus.

Every great P4P fighter had either a loss or close fights so stop with that narrative.

You can spin it any way you want, reality and looking at his record on paper are two very different things

Austin Trout - 154 WBA undefeated champion. Razor close fight.
Floyd Mayweather - Undefeated #1 P4P boxer. Lost every round and one judge had it a draw
Erislandy Lara - Arguably the best 154 of the world, got robbed of his undefeated record vs Willilams. Arguiably lost the fight
Kirkland - Came in from a 5 winning KO streak. Zero chin, hadnt fought in 2 years. Had already got obliterated in 1 round by feather fisted ishida
Cotto - 160 MW Champ - Came from a 3 winning KO streak. Won the title of a crippled and shot to hell martinez, who could barely stand up
Smith - 154 WBO undefeated champ. Won a vacant wbo title, had never beaten or fought anybody
GGG - 160 WBC, WBA, IFF undefeated champion. Arguiably lost both fights, after ducking golovkin for years
Fielding - 168 WBA regular champ. Fielding got kod in 1 round by smith. Never beat anyone decent. Best win was a gift decision over Ryder.
Jacobs - 160 IBF champ.
Kovalev - 175 WBO champ. [B]Shot to bits alchoholic who was 5 years past his prime, was in a brutal war and nearly got stopped a couple of months prior

[jack_the_rippuh]

Old people can be so salty

Real nigga shit.

Feeling like **** cuz Reynoso about to steal his seat as greatest mexican trainer and Canelo is way more popular than Juan Manuel... even with the Pacquiao KO to his name.