Comments Thread For: Nacho Feels Canelo is Not P4P Best, Not One of Best Ever From Mexico

[Canelo and GGG]

For real only active boxer with better resume is Pacman ,most of Mexican ATGs resumes are not so good ,Canelo definetly is one of the best fighters from Mexico.

[pretty ste]

I can't believe nacho still hating I this kid your own countrymen is so sad to see on of the greatest Mexican trainers cant see the skills and greatness in Canelo

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The problem lies with quality of fights. His huge deal is hampering him imo. He's going to have his way picked through that deal because all involved away from him want maximum revenues for themselves. They won't stick him up constantly against the best fighters over his deal because he loses the first one and possibly 2 and he's finished. He's a hugely popular figure in boxing and the one people want to fight simply because of that imo and it brings them big revenue's. His promotion team don't have to do anything other than reap the rewards of people wanting him. His team pay the fighters low ball money because they know someone else will take it.. and they all make a fortune...

See, this is what kills me. How does Canelo get so much crap but seemingly no one says a damn thing about who Golovkin has been fighting and is going to fight?

If it wasn't for the vocal fans who speak out you would hardly ever hear a negative thing about GGG.

[Jab jab boom]

Problem with your statement is that is not valid on an objective field, that is his opinion and only that, Stephen Edwards thinks that Canelo is gonna be one of Mexico's best, same with Roberto Duran, same with a lot of trainers, fighters or boxing historians who think very highly of Canelo.

I respect Beristain's opinion but it's that only his opinion, his opinion is not the truth.

what I stated was that there's validity in what he's saying, meaning that it isn't just cut and dry to say that he's wrong.

See I assess things differently. I don't just look at how popular a fighter is, I don't just look at belts and don't just look at the names he's faced without any context of how old they were when he faced them, nor will I ignore questionable scorecards.

Canelo has plenty of names on his resume but 6 of the 9 biggest fights on his resume were against guys that were 35 and older. 2 of those 6 fights against 35 and older competition had very questionable scoring and were fights that over 95% of press row had him losing.

When you asses top talent he's faced while they were in their prime, you could argue trout (who turned out to be a gatekeeper), Lara (who many thought beat canelo) and jacobs (who was one round off from having a draw with Canelo in a very uneventful fight).

In my opinion, the following Mexicans were more impressive to me based on who they fought, when they fought them, and the excitement involved in their fights morales (3 nearly dead even fights with Barrera, & a win over pac) Barrera (beating morales 2 out of 3 and embarrassing an undefeated Hamed) and Marquez (3 dead even fights with pac and a 4th by brutal ko, wins over Barrera, casamayor, & Juan Diaz). I think that facing that type of competition in their primes surpasses Canelo's resume. I won't even get into Chavez sr, ricardo Lopez or Salvador Sanchez.

[IronDanHamza]

He’s obviously not the best fighter from Mexico but he’s likely atleast Top 10.

In regards to current P4P, obviously Canelo is at the very least in the discussion for that.

Ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.

[Bunch Pag]

See, this is what kills me. How does Canelo get so much crap but seemingly no one says a damn thing about who Golovkin has been fighting and is going to fight?

If it wasn't for the vocal fans who speak out you would hardly ever hear a negative thing about GGG.

Like anything regarding GGG, you don't tend to hear anything. Snippets every so often. Well I can only say what I see or hear...

[Silver Spear]

See, this is what kills me. How does Canelo get so much crap but seemingly no one says a damn thing about who Golovkin has been fighting and is going to fight?

If it wasn't for the vocal fans who speak out you would hardly ever hear a negative thing about GGG.

The problem I find with his statement is that DAZN will not continue putting him up against small threats if they do not generate the revenue they are hoping for. DAZN has a lot of say who he fights etc. When Floyd made the deal with showtime and his numbers for the guerrero fight were low they had to find an opponent that would do good numbers and in came Canelo.

I highly doubt DAZN is alright with Canelo fighting "relative nobodies" and they continue to pay their fighter all those millions.

I agree though, everyone is on Canelo's case for not fighting the so called best but yet they give every other fighter a pass for doing the same thing.

[Jim Tom]

I'm a HUGE Canelo fan and hes among the BEST fighters TODAY. But all-time he isn't relevant. Unpopular opinion...prime DLH beats prime Canelo at 154 or 160. DLH could fight man

Canelo arguably LOST to Lara, Trout, GGG1, and clearly lost to Floyd. Cotto was a decent win and GGG2 couldve been a draw IMHO.

Among all-timers that just doesnt cut it.

Any PFP list TODAY must start with a combination of Loma, Crawford, and Inoue. Those 3 have dominated everyone - across weight divisions - and continue to look for biggest fights

You sir know your boxing.

[Jim Tom]

I respectuflly disagree with you.

Austin Trout - 154 WBA undefeated champion
Floyd Mayweather - Undefeated #1 P4P boxer.
Erislandy Lara - Arguably the best 154 of the world, got robbed of his undefeated record vs Willilams
Kirkland - Came in from a 5 winning KO streak
Cotto - 160 MW Champ - Came from a 3 winning KO streak
Smith - 154 WBO undefeated champ
GGG - 160 WBC, WBA, IFF undefeated champion
Fielding - 168 WBA regular champ
Jacobs - 160 IBF champ
Kovalev - 175 WBO champ

Mosley was old as hell still Alvarez was 22 when he faced him

5 or More lose is BIAS, you ask me honestly I had him losing the Lara fight and the first GGG fight, that would be 3 loses.

What other fight did he lose via robbery? The Trout fight was a close one, the second GGG fight was a close one, the Jacobs fight was a close one but IMHO he deserved those victories.

Weren't Trout and Lara the biggest threats on the 154 division when he faced them?

Wasn't GGG the biggest dominant undefeated unified champion when he faced him?

Kovalev might be past his prime still he stopped and undefeated and powerful 175 in Yarde so you need start giving credit where is due.




It's better to come as a victor in a close fight with a top tier guy than dominate a low level guy. Let me ask you a question and I expect you to answer it, Does beating Horn, Benavidez Jr and Kavaluskas makes you #1 P4P? Crawford has not done anything in the last 2 years to still be no.1 Canelo would stop that kind of opposition ala Rocky Fielding.

Roy Jones did not dominate Tarver on that first fight......
Mayweather had his close fights too, look at the Castillo 1, Cotto, Maidana 1, Augustus.

Every great P4P fighter had either a loss or close fights so stop with that narrative.

The point is you can not keep having controversial wins then claim to be pound for pound the best. The Roy Jones case, he dominated fighters during his era but towards the end Father Time caught up with him. Canelo is having controversial fights at his peak.

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I agree though, everyone is on Canelo's case for not fighting the so called best but yet they give every other fighter a pass for doing the same thing.

That's the thing, I don't feel like other fighters are doing the same thing. They are doing much worse with their opponent choices.

Canelo has tried to fight Jermall Charlo, Caleb Plant, BJS, Callum Smith, and even Golovkin a third time. Can't force those guys to get in the ring if they don't want to.

Who are the so called best that he is not fighting? Demetrius Andrade? Is that it, is that what all this criticism is about?