What did Canelo "learn" from the Mayweather schooling?

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  • Vodkaholic
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    #11
    Originally posted by Uncle Al..varez
    I guess what Pacquiao “learned” from Floyd was that the #48 experience got him another PPV with Thurman? What did PAC learn from Floyd?
    Lmao this has nothing to do with Pacquiao
    You still mad ginger got humiliated on a mexican holiday and mexicos most popular fighter got clowned by a black man

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    • 4truth
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      #12
      Originally posted by Vodkaholic
      So the catchweight really affected canelos performance and he learned that so thats why nelo added rehydration clauses against kovalev and jacobs?
      And Chavez and Fielding, yes.

      In fact there are almost no fights since fighting Floyd, that Canelo has simply accepted the weight class as it is.

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      • Real King Kong
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        #13
        Originally posted by Vodkaholic
        Just because you fight a great fighter doesn't mean your gonna learn a few tricks. All fighters fight different styles. Not all fighters learn from a losing experience. If you learn after losing a fight then certain fighters wouldn't stay gatekeepers, journeyman etc
        Experience is valuable regardless who the fighter is. Some guys just don’t have the talent/discipline/capability/smarts/team to make the necessary adjustments to get better.

        I’m not sure how the argument can be made that any living creature with intelligence greater than an amoeba, doesn’t learn something from failure. The whole damn world evolved on trial and error.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Real King Kong
          Experience is valuable regardless who the fighter is. Some guys just don’t have the talent/discipline/capability/smarts/team to make the necessary adjustments to get better.

          I’m not sure how the argument can be made that any living creature with intelligence greater than an amoeba, doesn’t learn something from failure. The whole damn world evolved on trial and error.
          Completely agree with the first paragraph.
          Canelo has discipline but lacked everything else and didnt learn anything from the floyd fight

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          • Thuglife Nelo
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            #15
            Originally posted by Vodkaholic
            So the catchweight really affected canelos performance and he learned that so thats why nelo added rehydration clauses against kovalev and jacobs..Good one
            That’s a flawed theory or else fans would assume that the IBF’s 10lb morning rule is always unfair.

            Only casuals think rehydration clauses are the same as weigh ins or catchweights? Every FIGHTER KNOWS the pre-fight scale is the hardest to endure, not a morning limit. It’s not like rehydration clauses say, “you can’t weight this much in the ring.” That’s what casuals fans don’t understand. 10lb morning rule should test how much a guy is draining.

            If it’s it a problem to compete at that class then a morning limit wouldn’t matter. The thought that it’s always a deterrent to do a morning limit is false. Besides Jacobs waived any of the theory for handicap since he paid the fine and did as he chose, so this “Jacobs” narrative is whack.

            Also Kovalev came in on the scale as he did all his fights. If he’s having a problem with a morning 10lb limit then why compete at 175? Kovalev was able to rehydrate as much as he pleased after the morning rule.

            To further on your initial post, yes, a Catchweight at 152 was more detrimental.

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            • Real King Kong
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              #16
              Originally posted by Vodkaholic
              Completely agree with the first paragraph.
              Canelo has discipline but lacked everything else and didnt learn anything from the floyd fight
              Has he not improved at all since then? Every fight plays a part in a fighter’s improvement. If you’re looking for some readily visible thing canelo copied from Floyd as the only way to prove he learned something from that fight, well then I don’t know what to say.

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                #17
                He learned not to get back in the ring with Floyd that's for sure

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Vodkaholic
                  Everyone says that same ****** ****. "Canelo learned alot from that fight" "that fight helped canelo be the fighter he is now".
                  Aside from being a diva during negotiations i just dont see it. He looks great against cherrypicks but against top opposition (lara, golovkin and jacobs) he doesn't exactly put on a great performance. A pretty average or decent performance I'd say.
                  So what did canelo learn from daddy froid?

                  Well fighters really do learn something new with every opponent they face, but that's just a generic answer that can be applied to any fight.

                  The reality is that it's just a way for Floyd fans to give credit to Mayweather for any success that Canelo has.

                  You notice it's really only Floyd fans who say that, I rarely ever see Canelo fans say that (unless they were a Floyd fan before).

                  Canelo improved and would have grown as a fighter with or without losing to Floyd. It was a goddamn professional fight, dudes are acting like Floyd was literally teaching him and showing him techniques when they fought.

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                  • JK1700
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                    #19
                    I don’t think it’s as much of “oh he learned this” as it is that he just kept improving. He recognised he had more to learn and had to do more to get where he wanted to get to and you can see he’s a much better fighter now.

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                      #20
                      He learned the business and negation side of boxing. Don’t be on the wrong end of a catchweight or give up any advantages. Demand ring size, gloves, rehydration clauses, etc. Hype your opponents leading up to fight so your inevitable win seems more impressive.

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