Rewatching Andre Ward Fights During This Lockdown? JK. THAT DUDE WAS A CON JOB!

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Thanks - will post my full edited comment though which addressed some of this fight, in case you missed the edit:

'Why post the highlights and not the actual fight though lol.

He actually was boxing well in that fight - and it's ironic because that is the one big fight of Ward's where I really felt he was boxing pretty well and was somewhat impressed...I thought he beat Froch but it was a pretty lackluster coasting performance imho.

But how can you really overlook the clinching and headbutts there...again if that fight was in Kessler's backyard, Ward is almost certainly DQd. In a neutral venue he is probably DQd. That's not really anything to get excited about is it..idk I just don't see how people overlook that stuff when evaluating a guy.

If GGG beat Derevychenko with identical tactics at home in Karaganda Kazaakstan, I would give him a ton of sh.it for it and wouldn't even really look at it as a real win...it's a joke man.

Every big fight for Ward has a big 'yeah but' moment/moments...I just don't see how all of those 'yeah buts' aren't factored in when evaluating the guy.'
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Maybe you can watch the entire fight and time stamp all the headbutts for us.

Everyone else can watch the fight and judge what they see for themselves.

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I was watching the Mikkel Kessler fight just the other day.

It is worth a rewatch, just to dispel the myths that Ward won only because of the accidental headbutts. He was beating the brakes off Kessler with his boxing.

nah... Ward head-butted Kessler because he was losing

97,000 experts cannot be wrong

[Boxing_1013]

Ward was dirty but yall haters disregard his skills and mental strengths that made him the fighter he is.

Like in the 2nd Sergey fight nobody brings up that right hand that almost finished him

Man idk I just don't really see it with Ward...obviously he could do some things well...he was a tough smart fighter for sure.

But when you are able to get away with a lot of stuff, it just kind of negates the point that you are 'great'.

I just think it's very fair to point out that he had a lot of help in his career, and without that help, I personally don't think his record or career would look much like it does now.

[Boxing_1013]

Maybe you can watch the entire fight and time stamp all the headbutts for us.

Everyone else can watch the fight and judge what they see for themselves.

But why would I do that man? I don't care at all about any of it lol...I've seen the footage of not just the headbutts, but the clinches...and once you see it once I don't need to see it again...the tape doesn't really lie does it.

If people want to either bury their head in the sand, or give the benefit of the doubt to Ward, to each his own.

But I just think it is pretty clear that he got the benefit of the doubt a ton in his career...and when you are always the home fighter and getting those breaks...I mean yeah I just don't really see the logic of putting the guy on a pedestal.

Did you not see any headbutts or clinches in that fight?

[aboutfkntime]

Dude you missed the point.

The point is that stars are generated mainly by being from a big 3 boxing country - UK US or Mexico.

Almost every guy who is a star, who is not from those countries, needed to face a guy or guys from the big 3 to really become a star or superstar.

Pac needed Mayweather.

Duran needed Leonard Hagler and Hearns.

GGG needed Canelo.

The market just isn't there for guys who aren't from those big 3 countries..that's where all the money is.

no... YOU, missed the point, as usual

Pac moved up in weight for Hoya, and others

Duran moved up in weight for Leonard, and others

Golovkin promised his fans that he would fight anyone from 154-168... but then killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight

Golovkin needed to take the fights he avoided

Ward is cut from the same cloth as Pac/Duran

he made big fights

and yet, a bunch of Bullshltkin fans just decided to throw Ward under a bus because he pulled lilG's knickers down in public

hilarious

[aboutfkntime]

I bet my life this turns into a Golovkin thread

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Boring in and out of the ring, but he always did what it took to win. First ballot HOF no doubt.

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But why would I do that man? I don't care at all about any of it lol...I've seen the footage of not just the headbutts, but the clinches...and once you see it once I don't need to see it again...the tape doesn't really lie does it.

If people want to either bury their head in the sand, or give the benefit of the doubt to Ward, to each his own.

But I just think it is pretty clear that he got the benefit of the doubt a ton in his career...and when you are always the home fighter and getting those breaks...I mean yeah I just don't really see the logic of putting the guy on a pedestal.

Did you not see any headbutts or clinches in that fight?

You're insinuating that Ward won largely because of headbutts. But can you prove that? Or is everyone just supposed to take your word for it?

I'm making the claim that Ward beat the brakes off Kessler with his boxing. Unlike you I can actually point to various times in the video to prove it if necessary.

[Boxing_1013]

no... YOU, missed the point, as usual

Pac moved up in weight for Hoya, and others

Duran moved up in weight for Leonard, and others

Golovkin promised his fans that he would fight anyone from 154-168... but then killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight

Golovkin needed to take the fights he avoided

Ward is cut from the same cloth as Pac/Duran

he made big fights

and yet, a bunch of Bullshltkin fans just decided to throw Ward under a bus because he pulled lilG's knickers down in public

hilarious

Bro that part about Ward making big fights is just such a joke...he fought at home his whole career, and never traveled for big money fights with Bute or Froch or Kessler or even Stevenson because he knew he needed the home cooking...and wanted to protect his 0...and even the stuff with draining Dawson, I mean idk how one could say all that stuff is evidence of him making big fights...kind of the opposite really.

Duran and Pac became bigger stars than GGG because they got the nod in their big step up fight(s) generally...GGG was 0-2 in getting a nod vs Canelo...just is what it is.

He was a fringe star before Canelo...Canelo made him into a star...but he wasn't able to become a superstar...he needed to get an official win or 2 there vs Canelo and it didn't pan out for him, though I felt he deserved both.

[Boxing_1013]

You're insinuating that Ward won largely because of headbutts. But can you prove that? Or is everyone just supposed to take your word for it?

I'm making the claim that Ward beat the brakes off Kessler with his boxing. Unlike you I can actually point to various times in the video to prove it if necessary.

Dude come on...be real...one can point to various points in the film were Ward clinches or headbutts. Here I just googled it and someone else has done it:

Clinches Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDEBCoaR_lU

Headbutts Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1SVvyx8sR0&t=126s

Ward did sh.it like that all the time man lol..look at his fight vs Bika...I've never seen a dude get away with so much lol, and it was still a really close fight...Idk I've watched most of his fights and I just don't really get the fawning...I really feel like many who tout Ward's skills didn't really watch a ton of him.

Look at 3:52 in that 2nd video...a normal dude should get DQd for that move all day. Holding a guy and deliberately throwing an elbow lol...it's a joke man.