Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Is Shot Fighter; Canelo-GGG Trilogy Too Late

[Mindgames]

Lol... Let’s focus on one fighter GGG who coincidentally showed no evidence of a slide until fighting Jacobs. So how come no one included HBO called out the loss of prime before he was given that gift decision against Jacobs? And if he was past prime the whole time who did he fight in his prime to deserve the accolades HBO put on him?

Btw- what’s your debate? I said he was a champion and a good fighter? So are you trying to tell me he is a top 25 all time great fighter? A guy who was lost his prime on the exact day he fought real competition? Isn’t that convenient. GTFOH with that BS.

He looked on the slide before that. Kell Brook and even Willie Monroe made him look slow and hit him at will.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ummm...do you remember what actually happened?

Yep.

Before the first fight Carnelo pulled a Rid**** Bowe with the WBC who tried to force him into something and he wasn't having it.

Before the rematch Carnelo told WBC that HE is KINGnelo - with a silent G - and Sulaiman bowed down to the king.

That's what happened.

[Mindgames]

Lol... Since when is Canelo #1 P4P? Anyway... Thank you for supporting my point genius, as stated he wasn’t shot. He was the same ole GGG. He just couldn’t demolish fighters like he did before because the fighter quality got much better.

Put him in with Willie Monroe two years ago and it’s the same fight outcome. Supposedly he was post prime when he walked through Vanes.

As far as GGG vs Canelo #1, is that the fight that happened in your head bro? First fight was a DRAW. Why is it every one else has to accept the actual fight results but you guys can float personal cards around as law?

A lot of people said Jacob and Derevychenko beat GGG, are we honoring those personal cards too? Look it up bro it was a draw. In the second fight Canelo won the record has spoken forever.

But once again Sensitive Beta Males Incorporated, isn’t it all moot as I didn’t say GGG was not a “good,” fighter. I said he was not the “Alltime Great/ Top 25 P4P Fighter in the past 25 years beast HBO and ESPN claimed him to be.

Where is the evidence of that claim? Canelo is more accomplished than GGG and they didn’t even have him on that Top 25 list.

As far as all time great, let’s just look at Middleweight. How many of these guys does GGG beat in his and their prime:

- James Toney
- Jack Dempsey
- Roy Jones Jr
- Mike McCallum
- Charley Burley
- Gene Fulmer
- Marvin Hagler
- Tony Zale
- Roberto Duran
- Jake Lamotta
- Emile Griffith
- **** Tiger
- Bernard Hopkins
- Bobby Fitzsimmons
- Harry Greb
- Sugar Ray Robinson
- Carlos Monzon
- Winky Right
- Stan Ketchel
- Tommy Hearns
- Oscar Delahoya
- Ezzard Charles
- Saul Canelo Alvarez
- Felix Trinidad
- Carmen Basilio
- Sugar Ray Leonard
- Iran Barkley
- Kelly Pavelik
- Jermaine Taylor
- Arthur Abraham

We could go on and on... Considering GGG fell apart with anyone with a chin, some pop and legit boxing skills, why would we believe he could even be considered an all time great at Middleweight let alone a best P4P fighter going back to 1990?

You guys must be on meth. Stop bothering me with this nonsense. Stay Corona free and safe despite our disagreements.

People are very extreme each way over Golovkin. Some think he beats a prime Hagler yeah i get it. But come on, you don't really need to ask if he beats Trinidad, Abraham and Barkley do you? Same for age. Sure, the step up in opposition made him look more limited. But nobody gets better with age, he was clearly slowing even in the Monroe fight. He's got extremely slow, he's jab is so good because it's the only punch that comes with any speed. Middleweights don't do well mid 30s onwards. Remember, Bhop didn't start boxing until he's late 20s.And even he lost to Taylor. Do you think Hopkins at 28 loses to Taylor? I don't.

[AKAcronym]

Yep.

Before the first fight Carnelo pulled a Rid**** Bowe with the WBC who tried to force him into something and he wasn't having it.

Before the rematch Carnelo told WBC that HE is KINGnelo - with a silent G - and Sulaiman bowed down to the king.

That's what happened.

What other champions did Canelo fight instead of rushing into a rematch with Golovkin?

[Fire4231]

At roughly age 34.


I am not an HBO employee so I am not accountable for what they say or don't say anymore than you are.

Then why are you quoting me acting like you agree with the HBO’s over hyping of GGG clown?

The best sign a guy is losing an argument is when he tries to change the argument. I said none of those things. I said.....its ****** to suggest age didn't play a factor when he didn't start getting the really big fights until he was 34. Not that ****ing complicated.

Best sign of when a guy has lost an argument is when he removes most of your response and starts acting like he never had and issue in the first place.

So what the **** are you quoting me for. As stated...

- GGG is a good fighter
- He is not an all time great fighter
- And age is not the reason he was not an all time great fighter.

Clearly we agree so what did you win again?

[Fire4231]

He looked on the slide before that. Kell Brook and even Willie Monroe made him look slow and hit him at will.

Lol... Didn’t realize speed was ever an asset of GGG’s.

Anyone that could box was going to make GGG look bad. That was the only difference between Monroe and Brook.

They could both box with a bit of speed yet they didn’t have enough pop to keep him off them for twelve rounds.

At that time Kell moved up two weight classes and he was still the best boxer GGG had faced.
Nothing All time great about having your best comp being a welterweight? So when did his prime end exactly?...Lol

[Fire4231]

People are very extreme each way over Golovkin. Some think he beats a prime Hagler yeah i get it. But come on, you don't really need to ask if he beats Trinidad, Abraham and Barkley do you? Same for age. Sure, the step up in opposition made him look more limited. But nobody gets better with age, he was clearly slowing even in the Monroe fight. He's got extremely slow, he's jab is so good because it's the only punch that comes with any speed. Middleweights don't do well mid 30s onwards. Remember, Bhop didn't start boxing until he's late 20s.And even he lost to Taylor. Do you think Hopkins at 28 loses to Taylor? I don't.

Bro...Problem with GGG is he struggles with boxers. Kel Brook was giving him problems and he was a welterweight. Without the injury who knows if he wins that fight?

So no I don’t believe it is certain and at times it’s possible for him to beat most on that list. If his prime was earlier, why did he struggle with an old shop worn way past prime Kassim Ouma in 2011? Eventually he got the KO but it makes me say what if those fighters were prime on prime? And Ouma wasn’t even close to being the best Middleweight of his day. GGG did more to prove his standing in his tougher fights than he ever did in the so called prime part of his career. If he was better then, shame on them for not moving him faster because he left some legacy on the table getting into the mix later on. But I do give him credit for Sergio Martinez because I did see Sergio Martinez duck him.

[Ivansmamma]

Sadly i think he is right. I had Golovkin winning the first fight. In the second i tought Golovkins timing was off and he could not find his target. Fight number 2 still could have been a draw, but i dont see golovkin coming out on top in a third fight.

Its sad cause even though i like canelos way of fighting i feel he deserves to lose cause of all the close decison he has been handed, against trout, against cotto, in the first golovkin fight, even a draw by one judge against Floyd. Canelo deserves a decision going against him. That might make him fight with more urgency.

[Removed Now]

I didn’t want to see the second fight. I damn sure not watching the third. It’s a money grab.

[Boxing Goat]

Lol... Since when is Canelo #1 P4P? Anyway... Thank you for supporting my point genius, as stated he wasn’t shot. He was the same ole GGG. He just couldn’t demolish fighters like he did before because the fighter quality got much better.

Put him in with Willie Monroe two years ago and it’s the same fight outcome. Supposedly he was post prime when he walked through Vanes.

As far as GGG vs Canelo #1, is that the fight that happened in your head bro? First fight was a DRAW. Why is it every one else has to accept the actual fight results but you guys can float personal cards around as law?

A lot of people said Jacob and Derevychenko beat GGG, are we honoring those personal cards too? Look it up bro it was a draw. In the second fight Canelo won the record has spoken forever.

But once again Sensitive Beta Males Incorporated, isn’t it all moot as I didn’t say GGG was not a “good,” fighter. I said he was not the “Alltime Great/ Top 25 P4P Fighter in the past 25 years beast HBO and ESPN claimed him to be.

Where is the evidence of that claim? Canelo is more accomplished than GGG and they didn’t even have him on that Top 25 list.

As far as all time great, let’s just look at Middleweight. How many of these guys does GGG beat in his and their prime:

- James Toney
- Jack Dempsey
- Roy Jones Jr
- Mike McCallum
- Charley Burley
- Gene Fulmer
- Marvin Hagler
- Tony Zale
- Roberto Duran
- Jake Lamotta
- Emile Griffith
- **** Tiger
- Bernard Hopkins
- Bobby Fitzsimmons
- Harry Greb
- Sugar Ray Robinson
- Carlos Monzon
- Winky Right
- Stan Ketchel
- Tommy Hearns
- Oscar Delahoya
- Ezzard Charles
- Saul Canelo Alvarez
- Felix Trinidad
- Carmen Basilio
- Sugar Ray Leonard
- Iran Barkley
- Kelly Pavelik
- Jermaine Taylor
- Arthur Abraham

We could go on and on... Considering GGG fell apart with anyone with a chin, some pop and legit boxing skills, why would we believe he could even be considered an all time great at Middleweight let alone a best P4P fighter going back to 1990?

You guys must be on meth. Stop bothering me with this nonsense. Stay Corona free and safe despite our disagreements.

First off, compared to you I am a genius and I am a boxing expert in every way.

Next, Canelo is P4P#1 right now. It's a fact, not an opinion.

Lastly, stay on topic. GGG beat Canelo in 2017 at least 8-4 when he was still mostly his prime self. It's clear that he had lost a step in the rematch and has only declined since then even more. You don't just get better reflexes after you turn 35 in case that escapes your sense of reason.

2nd Lastly. Right back at ya on the bolded part.