Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Is Shot Fighter; Canelo-GGG Trilogy Too Late

[Fire4231]

whoop there it is

very good fighter the media tried to make out to be an ATG

Lol... what’s crazy is no one said he was declining until Jacobs. What’s worst is the guy who said he was starting to decline was Jim Lampley.

Then tried to resurrect GGG into prime post Martirosyan KO.

These poor guys buy into the hype and get stuck up there trying to climb back down off the ledge.

[Fire4231]

Canelo has at least provided value for what DAZN is paying him.

Golovkin's contract has to be one of the worst deals in boxing history based on what DAZN has gotten back for that investment.

I agree bro, GGG’s team made a fantastic business deal with DAZN. He essentially received ongoing top match up money to fight journeymen and lesser contenders.

[AKAcronym]

Let's flip that around.

Why did the second fight happen a year later instead of 6 months later?

Because when they tried to force the issue, Carnelo told WBC to kick rocks, he'd do his own thing.

Sulaiman bowed down.

Carnelo switched back, got the W.

You can't deny any of this.

Now, let's adjust the question - to address what Teddy Atlas is trying to say (why didn't the THIRD fight happen sooner)?

Because Carnelo went off and took three belts off top tier opposition in three different weight classes.

Golovkin, meanwhile, took a RAZOR thin victory over Dereyvanchenko to get two belts - belts Carnelo had vacated and is likely to get back again.

But let's put this in perspective.

Carnelo beat Golovkin in 2018, Golovkin has not lost since, Carnelo has not lost since. So age is not an excuse.

Bottom line: it's not Carnelo's fault he's still young and skilled.

That's all that matters here. Atlas is FOS.

Are you being serious?

[emceetns]

Good points however it is what it is. Wasn't Golovkin calling everyone from 154-168 out but then wanted a catch-weight for Ward?

I think the "154-168" comment was a mistake on Golovkin's part and he should have just said "I will kill myself to make 154 for Mayweather or Pacquiao but I'm comfortable at 160 and I will only do 168 for a super-fight."

If he had done that then we wouldn't have to hear Golovkin critics (not you specifically) shout "154-168" anytime GGG comes up.

[steeve steel]

Maybe Derevyanchenko is better than what Teddy "Flat faced Alzheimer patient" thinks...

[yankees7448]

Which is why I said, Manny Pacquiao is fresh off beating an ELITE, undefeated fighter and taking his belt at 40 years old. That's not competitive - he WON. His hand was raised.

Which means the excuse that the reason Horn beat him was that he was "old" is BS. He just lost.

I don't know if the Thurman fight is a good example. Thurman has missed a lot of time in recent years due to injury and was coming off a fight in which he looked bad by his standards against a longtime fringe contender.

The key word there is "available".


Porter is "available" for Crawford. Crawford would be the A-side. Crawford went on DAZN and refused to fight him.

Manny was not "available" for Floyd back in 2009 because Manny and Arum were too busy making 50/50 demands and refusing drug testing.

Crawford is not "available" for Spence because of unreasonable demands.

Saunders was not "available" for Carnelo because of unreasonable demands.

Golovkin was not "available" for Ward because of unreasonable demands.

You're not "available" when you (as B-Side) make unreasonable demands.

There is unrealistic demands from the B-side and forcing the B-side to take it up the a s s. There is a big grey area in the middle where "available" lives. Your definition doesn't always fit.

[ShoulderRoll]

I agree bro, GGG’s team made a fantastic business deal with DAZN. He essentially received ongoing top match up money to fight journeymen and lesser contenders.

And he gets almost zero criticism for it. Which is mind boggling.

[yankees7448]

GGG hater "logic" ....

GGG ducked tough fights when he was in his prime, and only started wanting them when he was over the hill. Yeah, that makes sense!

Yea because a fighters 30s are often considered prime.

Fu cking idiot.

[yankees7448]

[B] Best sign of when a guy has lost an argument is when he removes most of your response and starts acting like he never had and issue in the first place.

No that's a sign of someone not including stuff that isn't relevant to the discussion. I was responding to a very specific statement you made which made light of the age factor and made a very specific counter argument. WTF is so gosh darn hard for you to understand.

I see that you said GGG was a good fight but not an all time great. Fine. Whatever. But when you say age didn't play any role in his performances against top tier guy its a ****** and very broad statement.

[tokon]

The Ward fight wasn't a realistic option. Ward was inactive for much of GGG's rise. Then there was a period between October 18th 2014 (when he won the interm WBC title versus Marco Antonio Rubio) and May 18th 2016 (when Canelo vacated the belt rather than fight GGG at 160) when GGG was the mandatory contender for Miguel Cotto and then Canelo Alvarez. Andre Ward had already left 168 to fight at 175 by then (he fought Sullivan Barrera at 175 on March 26th 2016).

So despite what morons like about***intime would say there was a very limited time range when the fight would have been possible and during that time period GGG was the mandatory challenger for a much bigger (in terms of fan following) and more lucrative opponent. Was Ward an option during that time? Sure. But no one in GGG's position would risk losing an opportunity to fight against money making stars like Cotto or Canelo for a fight with Ward.

Yes, I understand that perspective, however I also don't accept that Golovkin has always done everything he could have to make bigger fights.