Al Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money

[D4thincarnation]

Yes. He advised Smith during negotiations to not move off a number that would cause the deal to fall through. Instead he allowed BJS to take the fight for a lesser amount.

How do you know this?


You also know Smith can still grow his name and still get big money, bigger money than before.

Kownacki on the other hand....

[The Big Dunn]

How do you know this?


You also know Smith can still grow his name and still get big money, bigger money than before.

Kownacki on the other hand....

He's his promoter, he was involved in negotiations.

Interesting. Hearn fighters can turn down deals and its ok because they can " still grow his name and still get big money, bigger money than before."

Wouldn't the same apply to Haymon guys? Can't they grow their name as well?

Kownacki didn't lose his fanbase. He lost a fight. Why is this mean its over?

I was just wondering why "betting on yourself" is only an issue when its A Haymon fighter. I was also wondering why a loss is supposedly not a big deal but when Haymon guy loses it signals the end of their career.

[D4thincarnation]

He's his promoter, he was involved in negotiations.

Interesting. Hearn fighters can turn down deals and its ok because they can " still grow his name and still get big money, bigger money than before."

Wouldn't the same apply to Haymon guys? Can't they grow their name as well?

Kownacki didn't lose his fanbase. He lost a fight. Why is this mean its over?

I was just wondering why "betting on yourself" is only an issue when its A Haymon fighter. I was also wondering why a loss is supposedly not a big deal but when Haymon guy loses it signals the end of their career.

You have not shown how you knew about the details of the negotiations.

Smith is unbeaten and a world champion. What is Kownacki? Nothing to do with the promoter, it to do with the standing and quality of the fighter, what they have achieved and what they are likely to achieve.

Kownacki stock will never be as high again, Smith is likely to rise.


Glad you agree Haymon messed up on this one and cost Kownacki life changing money, money he will unlikely to get ever again. But you are very much mistaken if you think the Smith situation is similar.

[Ray*]

What I'm saying is that they took an unranked Price and ranked him for the Eliminator. Same thing they did here when it was Breazele/Kownacki originally, and they suddenly ranked Helenius

They (WBA) didn't rank Price. And it wasn't for a eliminator after doing research now.

[Ray*]

You have not shown how you knew about the details of the negotiations.

Smith is unbeaten and a world champion. What is Kownacki? Nothing to do with the promoter, it to do with the standing and quality of the fighter, what they have achieved and what they are likely to achieve.

Kownacki stock will never be as high again, Smith is likely to rise.


Glad you agree Haymon messed up on this one and cost Kownacki life changing money, money he will unlikely to get ever again. But you are very much mistaken if you think the Smith situation is similar.

Joe Gallagher is smith's manager. He and his boxer decides what they accept or turn down, it had nothing to do with Hearn.

[The Big Dunn]

You have not shown how you knew about the details of the negotiations.

Smith is unbeaten and a world champion. What is Kownacki? Nothing to do with the promoter, it to do with the standing and quality of the fighter, what they have achieved and what they are likely to achieve.

Kownacki stock will never be as high again, Smith is likely to rise.


Glad you agree Haymon messed up on this one and cost Kownacki life changing money, money he will unlikely to get ever again. But you are very much mistaken if you think the Smith situation is similar.

The problem with your post is Callum can keep winning but he will never get a more lucrative fight than Canelo. Kownacki, on the other hand, with comeback wins, can get fights with Ruiz, Wilder, Ortiz, Fury or AJ, all very lucrative.

Regrading "stock", There is also no guarantee Smith ever gets a Canelo fight while Kownacki, who is a proven draw, will always get opportunities.

I don't agree Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money by turning down a fight. If RObbie believes that, then he should feel the same about Hearn and Callum.

[D4thincarnation]

Joe Gallagher is smith's manager. He and his boxer decides what they accept or turn down, it had nothing to do with Hearn.

Good to know.

Was Big Dunn lying when he said Hearn advised Smith during negotiations to not move off a number, so negotiation would fail?

[The Big Dunn]

Joe Gallagher is smith's manager. He and his boxer decides what they accept or turn down, it had nothing to do with Hearn.

Respectfully, according to this article, Hearn was involved.

https://www.************.com/2020/03...ative-options/

“There’s still a chance he could get [the Canelo fight]. It’s small, but, you never know,” said Hearn to Behind The Gloves on it appearing that Callum Smith won’t get Alvarez fight. “We went back to Golden Boy with the contract. We’re ready to go.”

“We have to look at the likes of Danny Jacobs, we have to look at the likes of Caleb Plant, Benavidez is tied up, Chris Eubank Jr., John Ryder rematch. He has to do what he does and keep inning, but, of course, he does want the biggest fights possible,” said Hearn of Smith.

[D4thincarnation]

The problem with your post is Callum can keep winning but he will never get a more lucrative fight than Canelo. Kownacki, on the other hand, with comeback wins, can get fights with Ruiz, Wilder, Ortiz, Fury or AJ, all very lucrative.

Regrading "stock", There is also no guarantee Smith ever gets a Canelo fight while Kownacki, who is a proven draw, will always get opportunities.

I don't agree Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money by turning down a fight. If RObbie believes that, then he should feel the same about Hearn and Callum.

Who says he doesn't fight Canelo for even more money by letting the fight marinate some more. Smith can grow his brand and get a bigger slice of the pie.

None of the big names want Kownacki, and if he is getting beat by gatekeepers like Helenius then it is unlikey he will be able to beat anyone of note to get him back to getting a big money offer.


If you disagree with the point of Haymon messing up a big money fight for Kownacki then why aren't you defending the decision rather that deflecting it with Hearn and Smith?

[that g]

Respectfully, according to this article, Hearn was involved.

https://www.************.com/2020/03...ative-options/

“There’s still a chance he could get [the Canelo fight]. It’s small, but, you never know,” said Hearn to Behind The Gloves on it appearing that Callum Smith won’t get Alvarez fight. “We went back to Golden Boy with the contract. We’re ready to go.”

“We have to look at the likes of Danny Jacobs, we have to look at the likes of Caleb Plant, Benavidez is tied up, Chris Eubank Jr., John Ryder rematch. He has to do what he does and keep inning, but, of course, he does want the biggest fights possible,” said Hearn of Smith.

lol here we go again with your propaganda. if callum smith had taken the offer over BJS, would hearn have been "blocking BJS from his career payday"?

why would a manager advise his ring magazine belt-holding client to accept the same offer given to a vacant belt-holder from a different division?

don't be a clown.