Al Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money

[D4thincarnation]

Those names will not elevate his purse status relative to Canelo. DAZN has made it public that they are not looking to pay fighters as much as they did when they were handing out deals when they were more flush with cash. I don't see how Smith gets a higher offer later.

You can't predict the future. As for the AJ fight back then, Kownacki surely loses that fight. Why would Haymon put any young fighter in a situation like he did with Lubin (charlo)or like Fernando Vargas (tito) and put them in with a top guy well before they are ready?

My silence is because it is preposterous that Haymon cost kownacki life changing money. I asked robbie why no thread for Callum because if he feels this way he should surely feel Hearn cost callum life changing money as it was a bigger offer he turned down.

Why you felt the need to answer a question not directed at you is beyond me.

They are unification fights, fights with PPV guys and a big British fight. If you don't think they raise his profile as well as big pay days you don't know boxing.

He gets a bigger offer because his profile is raised, he has more belts and the fight as a result generates more money as well as getting a bigger slice of the pie.


Ruiz won that fight, and even if Kownacki loses, he makes huge life changing money.

Haymon's decision cost him that. Now your excuse is that Haymon could not see into the future.

He can't but with hindsight it plain to see it was the wrong decision and if you still can't see that despite what has happened then you are beyond help.

As it has been pointed out Smith situation is completely different, if however Smith gets KOed by a nobody in his next fight then you can say Smith/Hearn messed up.

That has not happened, can you see into the future?

[The Big Dunn]

They are unification fights, fights with PPV guys and a big British fight. If you don't think they raise his profile as well as big pay days you don't know boxing.

He gets a bigger offer because his profile is raised, he has more belts and the fight as a result generates more money as well as getting a bigger slice of the pie.


Ruiz won that fight, and even if Kownacki loses, he makes huge life changing money.

Haymon's decision cost him that. Now your excuse is that Haymon could not see into the future.

He can't but with hindsight it plain to see it was the wrong decision and if you still can't see that despite what has happened then you are beyond help.

As it has been pointed out Smith situation is completely different, if however Smith gets KOed by a nobody in his next fight then you can say Smith/Hearn messed up.

That has not happened, can you see into the future?

There is no guarantee he gets these fights you keep mentioning, especially the unification fights against PBC guys. Again, DAZN is lowering payments made to fighters, not increasing them. I don't see how he gets a bigger offer from Canelo down the road.

But he loses and his career is over. In this scenario he had an upset loss, which he can comeback from. Had he lost to AJ then, he has no chance at another big fight.

Haymon decision didn't cost him anything because as Robbie said there was no offer made. However, we have a verified offer to Callum that was rejected.

No I can't see into the future. However, I do know DAZN as a matter of company policy is lowering offers made, not increasing them. That is why its hard to think Callum will get a more lucrative offer to fight Canelo down the road.

[D4thincarnation]

There is no guarantee he gets these fights you keep mentioning, especially the unification fights against PBC guys. Again, DAZN is lowering payments made to fighters, not increasing them. I don't see how he gets a bigger offer from Canelo down the road.

But he loses and his career is over. In this scenario he had an upset loss, which he can comeback from. Had he lost to AJ then, he has no chance at another big fight.

Haymon decision didn't cost him anything because as Robbie said there was no offer made. However, we have a verified offer to Callum that was rejected.

No I can't see into the future. However, I do know DAZN as a matter of company policy is lowering offers made, not increasing them. That is why its hard to think Callum will get a more lucrative offer to fight Canelo down the road.

Especially against the PBC guys?
Why is that?

No guarantees in this life, but Smith is moving in the right direction and plenty of options available to him to move him up levels.

You get more money, by generating it.
It is not exactly hard to understand.
Smith has huge potential with the UK market, he is yet to breakout as a big star, but a few wins in big fights and could potentially have the UK mass fan base supporting him.


So now the excuse is there was no offer.

Hypothetically if there was an offer and Haymon turned it down, did he mess a life saving pay day for Kownacki?

[The Big Dunn]

Especially against the PBC guys?
Why is that?

No guarantees in this life, but Smith is moving in the right direction and plenty of options available to him to move him up levels.

You get more money, by generating it.
It is not exactly hard to understand.
Smith has huge potential with the UK market, he is yet to breakout as a big star, but a few wins in big fights and could potentially have the UK mass fan base supporting him.


So now the excuse is there was no offer.

Hypothetically if there was an offer and Haymon turned it down, did he mess a life saving pay day for Kownacki?

No there isn't options to move him up levels. He and his team turned a fight down with the cash cow who also happens to be the only fighter at 168 who is a top 3 p4p fighter. There is no higher level if he beats anyone else at 168, financially or p4p.

How is moving away from the cash cow and top 3 p4p fighter moving in the right direction? That is illogical.

Robbie posted there was no offer.

Callum and his team turned down the most lucrative offer he ever got. Given DAZN's publicly stated position that purse offerings will be lower than when they started, it is almost set in stone the future offer is less, if it ever comes.

If Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money as robbie claims, when there was no offer made to fight, then Hearn had to cost Callum life changing money since we know he had an offer and that they rejected it.

All I want to know is why no thread about it from Robbie.

[Robbie Barrett]

No there isn't options to move him up levels. He and his team turned a fight down with the cash cow who also happens to be the only fighter at 168 who is a top 3 p4p fighter. There is no higher level if he beats anyone else at 168, financially or p4p.

How is moving away from the cash cow and top 3 p4p fighter moving in the right direction? That is illogical.

Robbie posted there was no offer.

Callum and his team turned down the most lucrative offer he ever got. Given DAZN's publicly stated position that purse offerings will be lower than when they started, it is almost set in stone the future offer is less.

If Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money as robbie claims, when there was no offer made to fight, then Hearn had to cost Callum life changing money since we know he had an offer and that they rejected it.

All I want to know is why no thread about it from Robbie.

I posted no such thing. Keep lying.

Haymon prevented Kownacki accepting the fight.
Smith turned down the fight.

Haymon is a manager.
Hearn is a promoter.

There's difference. Haymon has a conflict of interest which is affecting his decisions.

[D4thincarnation]

No there isn't options to move him up levels. He and his team turned a fight down with the cash cow who also happens to be the only fighter at 168 who is a top 3 p4p fighter. There is no higher level if he beats anyone else at 168, financially or p4p.

How is moving away from the cash cow and top 3 p4p fighter moving in the right direction? That is illogical.

Robbie posted there was no offer.

Callum and his team turned down the most lucrative offer he ever got. Given DAZN's publicly stated position that purse offerings will be lower than when they started, it is almost set in stone the future offer is less.

If Haymon cost Kownacki life changing money as robbie claims, when there was no offer made to fight, then Hearn had to cost Callum life changing money since we know he had an offer and that they rejected it.

All I want to know is why no thread about it from Robbie.

They are, you denying they aren't does not make it so.
No solid offer from Canelo who was talking to many
Canelo fight can still happen as well.
Because the fights marinates becomes bigger and the more you win the bigger slice of the pie you can get.

Who claimed he did not turn down any offer and was holding out for a number which Hearn instructed him on.

Now you are saying he turned down an offer.
Which time were you lying, or is it both times?


So the excuse is Kownacki never had any offer from the Joshua camp now?

[D4thincarnation]

I posted no such thing. Keep lying.

Haymon prevented Kownacki accepting the fight.
Smith turned down the fight.

Haymon is a manager.
Hearn is a promoter.

There's difference. Haymon has a conflict of interest which is affecting his decisions.

I guess this is why they have the Muhammad Ali act, Amazing how Haymon is allowed to be in breach of this.

[The Big Dunn]

They are, you denying they aren't does not make it so.
No solid offer from Canelo who was talking to many
Canelo fight can still happen as well.
Because the fights marinates becomes bigger and the more you win the bigger slice of the pie you can get.

Who claimed he did not turn down any offer and was holding out for a number which Hearn instructed him on.

Now you are saying he turned down an offer.
Which time were you lying, or is it both times?


So the excuse is Kownacki never had any offer from the Joshua camp now?

This site and others reported a solid offer for Canelo that was turned down. I don't see how rejecting the cash cow, who is on your network, is moving him in the right direction. You turn that down in hopes of getting less lucrative fights with guys that don't fight on dazn and are not rated as high as Canelo?

The fight isn't marinating. Smith isn't someone the public is clamoring for Canelo to fight. Marination happens when its 2 guys that the public wants to see fight. Also, the dazn pie is getting smaller, not bigger, according to the dazn people.

Just want to see some consistency from you guys when it comes to costing fighters "life changing money."

[D4thincarnation]

https://www.boxingscene.com/manager-...june-1--138087

When BoxingScene.com reached out to Kownacki’s manager, however, Keith Connolly revealed that Kownacki has already signed a contract a fight on one of Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions shows on an unspecified date this summer, probably at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Doesn't look like Haymon prevented anything according to this site. More lies from you as usual.

Hearn was clearly involved in all the negotiations. He and gallagher had to have cost callum life changing money.

So that is conclusive proof that Haymon did cost Kownacki life changing money.

Haymon could have let the guy earn a $7,000,000 pay day, but he forced him to fight in one of his shows in August in a fight against Chris Areola.


At the time there was no fighter lined up for Kownacki, just that he would be on a Haymon show.

Haymon really doesn't have his best interests at heart.

[The Big Dunn]

I posted no such thing. Keep lying.

Haymon prevented Kownacki accepting the fight.
Smith turned down the fight.

Haymon is a manager.
Hearn is a promoter.

There's difference. Haymon has a conflict of interest which is affecting his decisions.

https://www.boxingscene.com/manager-...june-1--138087

When BoxingScene.com reached out to Kownacki’s manager, however, Keith Connolly revealed that Kownacki has already signed a contract a fight on one of Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions shows on an unspecified date this summer, probably at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Doesn't look like Haymon prevented anything according to this site. More lies from you as usual.

Hearn was clearly involved in all the negotiations. He and gallagher had to have cost callum life changing money.