Serious question - does any group overhype their fighters more than the UK?

[Madison Boxing]

... And I haven't seen anyone saying whyte is a great fighter. However I don't see any reason whatsoever to think he doesn't have a good shot of beating wilder.

[LetOutTheCage]

Worst time to make a thread like this when Wilder was beaten around the ring as badly as he was...Americans overhype their fighters to a ridiculous degree the only difference is that if their fighter loses these 'fans' jump on the next hype train and pretend like they never rated the fighter who lost.

[kafkod]

Lol wow man...really.

Walsh beat Sampaio?????? to win his title
Smith beat John Thompson????? to win his title
Burns fights exclusively at home...and got absolutely embarrassed by Indongo...who got ran over asap by Crawford and Prograis.

Those latter two guys are world level, just fyi....Burns got embarrassed at home by the guy who didn't belong in the same ring as those two (great) fighters.





Cong****...you have one very good imho fighter (AJ) who has been carefully managed and has been protected very well, as he is a massive star in your country...because again, you cling to any type of success with your boxing stars and overrate it.

And then you do imho have a legitimately great fighter at HW in Fury.

How can a fighter win a world title without being at "world level"?

Just think about what you're saying. ffs.

[kafkod]

Look at the two fighters that have been the biggest hype jobs of the last 10 years and you have your answer. Golovkin and Wilder.

Comparing GGG to Wilder is just plain ridiculous.

[Ray*]

Worst time to make a thread like this when Wilder was beaten around the ring as badly as he was...Americans overhype their fighters to a ridiculous degree the only difference is that if their fighter loses these 'fans' jump on the next hype train and pretend like they never rated the fighter who lost.

Spot on

[richardt]

I never said those guys were complete bums or bad people or that I hate them.

You acted like some of them were a dime a dozen types as if being embarrassed at the world level is uncommon. The fact is, contenders, champions, HOF, and ATG fighters have lost to fighters they were hugely favored to beat. The word "embarrassed" is not a realistic portrayal of a fighters accomplishment - and the word hype doesnt even have a measurable value to it because that is on the fans or media, not the fighters. These guys reached a pinnacle in boxing. Some sparring partner of Walsh or Burns or a pro with a record of 12-8 could walk into a gym and spar with 20 guys off the street and have his way with every one them. That same guy using your terminology could be embarrassed by Burns who could be embarrassed by an Indongo who could be embarrassed by Crawford who some day like all fighters lose in an upset. The fact that the "Walsh's" and "Burns" of the world made it to a place where less than 1% have made it, indicates a hell of a lot. Next time someone wants to downplay the accomplishments of a guy at that level using the word "embarrassed", I would like to see the list of accomplishments of some critic who doesn't realize what it takes to even get as far and the Walsh's or Burns of the world.

[Shadoww702]

All I know is Canelo gonna beat on one of those over rated UK boxers.

Whyte SUKS!! I have Ortiz over him.

[Shadoww702]

... And I haven't seen anyone saying whyte is a great fighter. However I don't see any reason whatsoever to think he doesn't have a good shot of beating wilder.

I would bet serious $$$$ on Wilder to knock BeetleJuice out

[DaNeutral.]

So serious question -

Is there any group that overhypes its fighters more than the UK? They are a clear number 1 imo...Mexican fighters next at number 2...then US fighters followed by eastern Euros...and then 'other' fighters, who are often undervalued imho...such as Cubans/Africans/etc.

I make my determinations based on the fact that all the money is really in the US UK and Mexico...so guys from those areas get more hype and attention and help...it is easier to sell a UK fighter to a UK person etc, same with Mexicans, US, Eastern Euros, etc.

The UK just seems to have a lot of attention on their boxing, and a lot of guys trying to make it...it just so happens that most of the time they actually suck...but we still have to hear about it for 2 years until they finally step up.

Certainly...Mexico has a decent number like this...Mungia comes to mind...Ryan Garcia (yes he is Mexican for all intents and purposes) was a bit overhyped but has looked very good to me lately...Canelo was overhyped but has lived up to much of it.

The US as well has some overhyped guys, but generally the US and Eastern euro amateur systems sort out who the best really are...so when we see those guys in the big time, more often that not they are the genuine article...imho anyway.

So yeah - can anyone argue that the UK overrates their fighters more than anyone?

For goodness sake...we are now having to deal with people saying Dillian Whyte is a great fighter...it is always like this with some obscure British level fighter...and then when they step up, over 50% of the time they get wrecked and his 'fans' suddenly disappear, only to back a new hope.

Us British are pretty bad for overhyping fighters. Only country worse is the USA. And I'm sure the rest of the world would back me up on that.

[Boxing_1013]

Why does it matter? Nothing wrong with expressing enthusiasm for fighters. The real problem is - in my book at least - all the dudes crapping on accomplished fighters, calling 'em bums, hypejobs or whatever. Seems to be on here there's a loud and vocal minority in all fanbases who either can't seperate the two things or just want to ruffle feathers. Course, soon as you start calling a nation / fighter rubbish you quickly get huindreds of replies - that ish drives itself and it ain't hard to see why that kinda drivel takes over the forum - egos come to bear and no one wants to back down.

Are you really bothered here because people are saying Joshua is great or because they're saying Deontay / US Heavies are crap? Think about it.

I referenced the type of fighters I feel are 'overhyped' by the UK in my main post...perhaps you should give it another look.

AJ is obviously a bit overhyped as well, or was...look who he lost to...but of course he is a very good fighter as well.

I like to call out biases I see on this site, regardless of whether or not I am a fan of the fighter...the thread was asking a sincere question, as in my mind no country/group overrates their fighters like the UK.

When they have an OK fighter, he is hyped as a great fighter....when they have a very good fighter, he is hyped as a great fighter.

Occasionally they get it right and hype a truly great fighter - Fury for example...or they get behind someone who is great but limited and they acknowledge that - Froch for example.

You probably need a better example than this one

If you don't wanna see, you don't wanna see it Ray

First of all, i know a lot of brits who are knowledgeable about boxing, they might want someone to win but that doesn't mean they would pick that person to win.

Your Liam evidence was basically nothing to use to support your thread, i personally picked Wilder to beat both AJ and Whyte, i have done from day 1 and nothing has changed for me.

Having said that i have zero issues with anyone that picks AJ and Whyte to beat Wilder, does that make then morons? no... or nationalist? No.

We have americans who pick Ortiz to beat Joshua, does that make them cuban nationalist? To say certain countries "Overhype" their boxers is laughable. Why? Because every one does that to an extent.

Since the Fury win you have been on here claiming "Am not a Wilder fan" but then proceed to try and put negativity on anyone that celebrates Fury's victory.

You come across like you are hurt or triggered by his loss, maybe you are american that is irritated by the loss? At the end of the day when someone loses the way Wilder does, or the way Joshua did, you would have a lot of post/threads in the weeks thereafter.

There is no need to be triggered by it. It would die down sooner than you think, the only thing keeping this one alive is the excuses...Which are Gold i tell ya...

No issue with people supporting their own...that is human nature and perfectly fine...that is what fans do.

But I can't really take the analysis of fans very seriously...they see everything through a narrow prism for them, everything is about their guy and not the other guy.

I've said a number of times that I was rooting for Fury to win, am glad he won, and have never rooted for Wilder in any of his fights...I've been more or less ambivalent on his career.

But what I do like to do, is call out bad arguments and biases that I see on this site, regardless of whether I like the fighters or not.

People went overboard on Wilder so I called it out...UK fans are over the top usually on hyping their fighters, so I called it out.

I like the UK and its people...some of them know boxing quite well...some of them have a bit of pretender in them, trying to act like they are experts and see hidden things, when in reality they don't know too much...but there are a lot of fans like that, regardless of country of origin.

But yeah when they hype up every Tom Joe and Harry as world level, for nothing, it is nauseating.

Btw - in this thread - I've had two of your guys who swear that Walsh Smith and Burns were elite/world level fighters and seemed outraged that I suggested otherwise...so that proves my point doesn't it?