Serious question - does any group overhype their fighters more than the UK?

[Boxing_1013]

Yes, they all won world titles when they stepped up to world level ... how embarrassing is that?

Nice trolling.
You've got paid shill commentators stateside - loads of them, insulting your intelligence with their s**t commentary LMAO at Kellerman, Ward and Lennox 'pay me to say stuff's Lewis. Do any of you actually think you are being given impartial boxing observations? See, itd never happen in UK, we don't get talked down to like we are all f*****g ******. But you believe it cos you're fed it 24/7.
Other than Al Bernstein, all I hear is ridiculous promotional bs from.Kellerman and co.
Wilder was 100% pure hype, and you come on here with your head stuffed up your arse. FOOH, you're talking to actual boxing fans. Your best guy just got thrashed by the 4th best UK hw.
Wilder is a ducking fraud. As well as a coward.
UK has taken over and it's better for all fight fans - go sit with Shelley Finkel, you're about as entertaining as that old dinosaur.
Salty cos you lost

Exactly!!!!! I would like to know what the people who criticize UK fighters have done in their lives that is so much better than fighters who became world champions! Are these people who diminish UK fighters - at the top 1% in the world at what they do for a living that they can downplay UK boxers who made it to the top 1% at what they do for a living? Every critic of UK fighters would love to be so embarrassed by becoming a world champion - and achieving what not even 1% of every man that has laced up gloves, pro or am will ever accomplish.

You probably need a better example than this one

Just read some of the posts in this thread man

[Boxing_1013]

Is this thread alleging that people from the UK are overrating Fury and Joshua?

The consensus 1 and 2? Who own every belt between them?

How exactly can they be overrated? They are the best two boxers in the world.

Fury is great, certainly is great on his day when he is motivated...AJ is very good, but he does have a loss to a 30-1 underdog, just 2 fights ago, so I would say that hyping him up too much at this time is a bit rich.

Good fighter but flawed, as many are...and the point of the thread was to highlight the Burns Walshes and Smiths of the world that routinely get hyped up, and then are rather quickly exposed.

I think some American fans are just salty that they have nobody other than Crawford and Spence to shout about in boxing. They want to go back to the good 'ol days where Jermain Taylor, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr and Jeff Lacy were the true icons of the sport...

Oh wait a minute, weren't they all destroyed by British fighters?

Lol...thank you for indirectly proving my point!!

Joe was a really good fighter...hyped rather appropriately imho...but still:

RJJ has 9 lossses...5 by KO...he lost once to a Brit, which was his 4th loss and was by decision...at 39 years old

Bhop has 8 losses...1 by KO...he lost once to a Brit, which was his third loss and was by decision...at 43 years old

Taylor has 4 losses...3 by KO...he lost once to a Brit, which was his third loss.

Lacy had 6 losses...3 by KO...he lost once to a Brit, his first loss.

Joe was a really good fighter, cong****...but once again you have to try and make things out to be way more than what they are.

It amuses me that Americans get so salty over British fighters honestly. Its a small ****ing island thousands of miles away with a population comparable to California + Texas. You'd think it was some giant superpower media empire that controls all boxing media the way Americans act. How about just appreciate that they actually care about boxing and turn out for their fighters? they fill up football stadiums for fights, they travel thousands of miles to watch their guys, they buy PPVs in good numbers, they're one of the few places outside of America that consistently puts on decent sized boxing shows. No need to hate that is there?

No one is hating...just think the forum would be better if people on here made better arguments...which includes evaluating fighters objectively and more correctly...the UK overrates their fighters like no one else, and it is eye-roll inducing, not hate-inducing.

I don’t think we overhype our fighters in the UK, we just get behind them. There’s a difference. American’s don’t get behind their fighters, they just like them when they succeed and forget them when they don’t.

There’s not one British boxing fan that thinks guys like Liam Smith are top level, but they will get behind him when he’s trying to achieve something.


Of course you get your casual fans that don’t really know much about boxing, they get all their boxing knowledge from Sky Sports News and Eddie Hearn interviews on there. So yeah, maybe those people get a bit deluded but that happens everywhere.

I’d say most actual boxing fans that are bit more educated about it are a bit more rational.

Did you see Kafkod, Richard and 15 rounds saying that Walsh Smith and Burns were in fact elite...and that Whyte is the number 2 HW.

"No one was really hyping Wilder"

You must have missed the threads saying his reign is comparable to Ali's and other fans saying he'd destroy Mike Tyson easy and is the next Marciano.

I did see a few posts like that...imho that is not the same thing...if someone for example said AJ could have beaten Ali, I would disagree...but a few of his fans probably think that, and it is certainly a fair argument to make...AJ has some advantages over Ali, and the eras are different now.

But when the UK in general tends to overrate every Tom Joe and Harry, it just gets a bit old.

PBC fighters are the most overhyped fighter in boxing medias.
The PBC fans group is the worst by the way.

None of them are great. Despite being a bigger stable in boxing.

TOP rank, with Bud, Loma and Fury have 3 truly great fighters.

They do have Pac but he is a bit past it...I would say Spence before the accident was very comparable to Bud.

PBC has a lot of 'maybe' type guys...but we don't know enough about them yet really to say what they are...but for the most part no one really is going crazy on hyping those guys up...not that I see anyway.

[15 Rounds again]

Just read some of the posts in this thread man

Tell me that you understand the levels of infomercial type commentating that now infests American boxing?
Seriously friend, please give me your opinion on the way your commentators make their observations. Do you feel that they are giving quality synopses?
Al Bernstein is a standout, I like his impartiality for the most part, but I'd be insulted if i was fed some of the stuff that these shills come out with

Like...really really.

[Boxing_1013]

... And I haven't seen anyone saying whyte is a great fighter. However I don't see any reason whatsoever to think he doesn't have a good shot of beating wilder.

Just read my sig man...or any post from 15 rounds...to have Whyte as anything but a heavy underdog vs Wilder, even now, seems crazy to me.

Worst time to make a thread like this when Wilder was beaten around the ring as badly as he was...Americans overhype their fighters to a ridiculous degree the only difference is that if their fighter loses these 'fans' jump on the next hype train and pretend like they never rated the fighter who lost.

Spot on

Us British are pretty bad for overhyping fighters. Only country worse is the USA. And I'm sure the rest of the world would back me up on that.

OK...just look at the arguments that your fellow countrymen are making below.

They are saying that because Walsh beat a 16-10 Sampaio, that he is world level...saying that any time you beat someone from another country, you are world level...it's absurd...he has never even won a major belt either, so what exact argument are they even making?

That Smith beating John Thompson makes him world level...that Burns getting embarrassed by Indongo, who in turn was embarrassed by Crawford and Prograis, makes him world level.

It's ridiculous.

You acted like some of them were a dime a dozen types as if being embarrassed at the world level is uncommon. The fact is, contenders, champions, HOF, and ATG fighters have lost to fighters they were hugely favored to beat. The word "embarrassed" is not a realistic portrayal of a fighters accomplishment - and the word hype doesnt even have a measurable value to it because that is on the fans or media, not the fighters. These guys reached a pinnacle in boxing. Some sparring partner of Walsh or Burns or a pro with a record of 12-8 could walk into a gym and spar with 20 guys off the street and have his way with every one them. That same guy using your terminology could be embarrassed by Burns who could be embarrassed by an Indongo who could be embarrassed by Crawford who some day like all fighters lose in an upset. The fact that the "Walsh's" and "Burns" of the world made it to a place where less than 1% have made it, indicates a hell of a lot. Next time someone wants to downplay the accomplishments of a guy at that level using the word "embarrassed", I would like to see the list of accomplishments of some critic who doesn't realize what it takes to even get as far and the Walsh's or Burns of the world.

How can a fighter win a world title without being at "world level"?

Just think about what you're saying. ffs.

Read my comments above...Walsh has never even won a major belt...just because you beat someone from another country does not make you world level!!

Just absurd arguments man...you don't have to defend every single one of your guys on every single issue.

World level means world-class...you think Liam Walsh is of the highest caliber in the world? If so, you better start throwing that word around quite often.

[Boxing_1013]

Tell me that you understand the levels of infomercial type commentating that now infests American boxing?
Seriously friend, please give me your opinion on the way your commentators make their observations. Do you feel that they are giving quality synopses?
Al Bernstein is a standout, I like his impartiality for the most part, but I'd be insulted if i was fed some of the stuff that these shills come out with

Like...really really.

I don't listen to any commentator on boxing really, or on anything else...I form my own opinions of fighters and issues based on what I see in the ring, etc.

Some people occasionally have good insights and when they do I take note of it.

I don't listen to anyone 100% of the time...Paulie is a good example...he is a good boxing mind, but he is also a feather fisted type of guy...so the way he scores some fights is off I think, and the way he analyzes some fights is off, because he is scoring them always for the boxer/mover/light puncher.

[Citizen Koba]

I referenced the type of fighters I feel are 'overhyped' by the UK in my main post...perhaps you should give it another look.

AJ is obviously a bit overhyped as well, or was...look who he lost to...but of course he is a very good fighter as well.

I like to call out biases I see on this site, regardless of whether or not I am a fan of the fighter...the thread was asking a sincere question, as in my mind no country/group overrates their fighters like the UK.

When they have an OK fighter, he is hyped as a great fighter....when they have a very good fighter, he is hyped as a great fighter.

Occasionally they get it right and hype a truly great fighter - Fury for example...or they get behind someone who is great but limited and they acknowledge that - Froch for example.

Ha well, I ain't gonna argue with you man, cept to say one man's overhyping is another man's enthusiasm. Could be certain UK fans are just naturally more demonstrative than folk like your good self are used to. 'Besides, you should know as well as anyone that generalising about a whole nation - whether it regards boxing or anything else - is never a wise path.

You got your own biases, man, we all do - it's just you express 'em in different ways... in this case by trying to establish yourself as being more detached and objective and thus in a postion to judge. It's something I do too - probably a great deal more than I should.

Problem is objectivity is a hard sell at the best of times and it's particularly unbeleivable when you're starting threads with no other apparent motive than to attempt to undermine the credibility of those you're disagreeing with.

Just saying man.

FWIW I'm British(ish) and I ain't big on all this UK vs USA nonsense, but starting threads like this does absolutely nothing to improve anything. Maybe try doing something a little more positive with your time - something worth emulating - and maybe you'll drag some folk along with you?

[Mikeh333]

The Brits overhype all their athletes, not just boxers. Maybe some of it comes from their government-funded sports system, in which fair to middling athletes can get paid, whether they perform on the world stage or not.

[Boxing_1013]

Ha well, I ain't gonna argue with you man, cept to say one man's overhyping is another man's enthusiasm. Could be certain UK fans are just naturally more demonstrative than folk like your good self are used to. 'Besides, you should know as well as anyone that generalising about a whole nation - whether it regards boxing or anything else - is never a wise path.

You got your own biases, man, we all do - it's just you express 'em in different ways... in this case by trying to establish yourself as being more detached and objective and thus in a postion to judge. It's something I do too - probably a great deal more than I should.

Problem is objectivity is a hard sell at the best of times and it's particularly unbeleivable when you're starting threads with no other apparent motive than to attempt to undermine the credibility of those you're disagreeing with.

Just saying man.

FWIW I'm British(ish) and I ain't big on all this UK vs USA nonsense, but starting threads like this does absolutely nothing to improve anything. Maybe try doing something a little more positive with your time - something worth emulating - and maybe you'll drag some folk along with you?

I hear ya man...I would say that imho, how could you expect someone to change their ways/biases, if they aren't aware of them?

My thread was not intended to demean, but rather to highlight...a friendly mirror to the face of some people on here who perhaps do not realize their biases and over-rating.

As mentioned previously, I think this board could be a lot better, in a lot of ways...and one of those ways is if we became more of boxing fans on here, rather than fans of our own crew/tribe/country.

The sport needs fans too...but on a boxing forum I would expect more detached reasonable discussion from 'hardcore' fans than currently happens on here.

[STREET CLEANER]

Nope, and they are sensitive creatures.

But now all. The are some really cool Brit fans in these boards.

Nothing wrong with celebrating your countryman's victory but some here just go overboard and can't give kudos to any other fighter.

[DaNeutral.]

Just read my sig man...or any post from 15 rounds...to have Whyte as anything but a heavy underdog vs Wilder, even now, seems crazy to me.


OK...just look at the arguments that your fellow countrymen are making below.

They are saying that because Walsh beat a 16-10 Sampaio, that he is world level...saying that any time you beat someone from another country, you are world level...it's absurd...he has never even won a major belt either, so what exact argument are they even making?

That Smith beating John Thompson makes him world level...that Burns getting embarrassed by Indongo, who in turn was embarrassed by Crawford and Prograis, makes him world level.

It's ridiculous.





Read my comments above...Walsh has never even won a major belt...just because you beat someone from another country does not make you world level!!

Just absurd arguments man...you don't have to defend every single one of your guys on every single issue.

World level means world-class...you think Liam Walsh is of the highest caliber in the world? If so, you better start throwing that word around quite often.

Wow, wilder losing has really hit you hard.