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  • The D3vil
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    #31
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    Man you must really hate Canelo...😂😂

    As a big GGG fan I don’t really like the guy myself but I always remain objective.

    How can jumping up two weight divisions be a “cherry pick”??
    C’mon bro that’s so delusional. Kovalev was on the slide but was still a legit world champion and credible opponent. He was also the biggest name at 175 which is why the fight made sense.

    It evidently was a one fight thing...
    Canelo’s post fight interview:
    “After this the plan was to go back to 160, 168... but why not MAYBE 175 again. We have to do what’s best for us”.

    Canelo is clearly suggesting his immediate future is not at 175 and him vacating the title confirms that. Do you genuinely think he is a natural light heavyweight and should be fighting at 175?

    As for SRL, I know my 80’s boxing very well, and I’m pretty certain there was never any demand for Leonard to face Hill and rightly so. Feel free to try and archive some info that suggests otherwise but it genuinely is not there.
    You just said it was a cherry pick.

    'You said he had no intention to campaign at 175. Then what the hell was he doing fighting at 175 then?

    If you don't intend to fight in a weight class, you shouldn't be winning a belt in it and if you do, you should be expected to fight the other champs at that division.

    GGG & Andre Ward have never shared a weight class.

    GGG didn't fight anybody at 168, win a belt, and then vacate to avoid Ward.

    It's not the same in any way.

    GGG like Hagler & Monzon before him, campaigned his whole career at MW and therefore should've been expected to fight the people in the weight class he was champion in.

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    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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      #32
      Originally posted by The D3vil
      You just said it was a cherry pick.

      'You said he had no intention to campaign at 175. Then what the hell was he doing fighting at 175 then?

      If you don't intend to fight in a weight class, you shouldn't be winning a belt in it and if you do, you should be expected to fight the other champs at that division.

      GGG & Andre Ward have never shared a weight class.

      GGG didn't fight anybody at 168, win a belt, and then vacate to avoid Ward.

      It's not the same in any way.

      GGG like Hagler & Monzon before him, campaigned his whole career at MW and therefore should've been expected to fight the people in the weight class he was champion in.
      Please quote were I said it was a “cherry pick”.

      How can jumping up 2 weight classes be a cherry pick?😂

      Absolutely delusional.

      Having one singular fight at 175 and campaigning at 175 are very different. Are you really this delusional? Do you think Roy Jones ducked Lennox Lewis? Did Pacquiao duck Cornelius Bundrage by vacating they WBC 154 title after only having one fight at the weight class?

      Canelo is well within his right to have one fight at 175 in order to create some sort of history, anyone who has a problem with that just comes across as a whiny little b****.

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      • The D3vil
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        #33
        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
        Please quote were I said it was a “cherry pick”.

        How can jumping up 2 weight classes be a cherry pick?😂

        Absolutely delusional.

        Having one singular fight at 175 and campaigning at 175 are very different. Are you really this delusional? Do you think Roy Jones ducked Lennox Lewis? Did Pacquiao duck Cornelius Bundrage by vacating they WBC 154 title after only having one fight at the weight class?

        Canelo is well within his right to have one fight at 175 in order to create some sort of history, anyone who has a problem with that just comes across as a whiny little b****.
        If you are the champion in a division, you should be expected to fight the other champions of that division.

        I don't support weight hopping for the sake of weight hopping. It's one of the reasons I respect GGG, Marvin Hagler, and Carlos Monzon. They camped out at MW and dominated their division. I would respect GGG less, if he fought the worst guy at 168 and then said, "Well, I don't want it with Andre Ward or anybody else at 168. I just wanted to fight this one fight against a no hoper, just to win a belt."

        To me, it's more impressive that he beat Canelo & Danny Jacobs at MW.

        Yes, Roy Jones cherry picked Ruiz because he was the weakest heavyweight. Duh. What else would you call not campaigning in a division you've competed at and won a belt in?

        And you called Canelo a cherry picker when you admitted that he had he only fought Kovalev just to win a belt at 175, but wanted nothing to do with anybody else at 175. That's the definition of cherry picking.

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          #34
          Originally posted by The D3vil
          If you are the champion in a division, you should be expected to fight the other champions of that division.

          I don't support weight hopping for the sake of weight hopping. It's one of the reasons I respect GGG, Marvin Hagler, and Carlos Monzon. They camped out at MW and dominated their division. I would respect GGG less, if he fought the worst guy at 168 and then said, "Well, I don't want it with Andre Ward or anybody else at 168. I just wanted to fight this one fight against a no hoper, just to win a belt."

          To me, it's more impressive that he beat Canelo & Danny Jacobs at MW.

          Yes, Roy Jones cherry picked Ruiz because he was the weakest heavyweight. Duh. What else would you call not campaigning in a division you've competed at and won a belt in?

          And you called Canelo a cherry picker when you admitted that he had he only fought Kovalev just to win a belt at 175, but wanted nothing to do with anybody else at 175. That's the definition of cherry picking.
          So I never said it was a cherry pick as it wasn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.

          You’re just a hater man... so bitter about Canelo. I spent thousands attending both fights to support GGG, if anyone should be bitter it’s me. But I stay objective and whether you love or hate him Canelo is a tremendous fighter with a great resume.

          Moving through weight classes shows quality. Whether it be Armstrong, Duran, Roy, Pac etc.

          Now fighting a HW with a 30lb weight disadvantage is a “cherry pick”. GTFOH...

          Canelo went and beat a legitimate champion at 175 and you losers still have a problem with it. Get a life man...

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            #35
            Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
            So I never said it was a cherry pick as it wasn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.

            You’re just a hater man... so bitter about Canelo. I spent thousands attending both fights to support GGG, if anyone should be bitter it’s me. But I stay objective and whether you love or hate him Canelo is a tremendous fighter with a great resume.

            Moving through weight classes shows quality. Whether it be Armstrong, Duran, Roy, Pac etc.

            Now fighting a HW with a 30lb weight disadvantage is a “cherry pick”. GTFOH...

            Canelo went and beat a legitimate champion at 175 and you losers still have a problem with it. Get a life man...
            Oh shut up you Canelo dxckrider.

            I don't support belthopping for the sake of belthopping period.

            I believe if you aspire to win a belt in a division, you should aspire to defend it. Simple as that.

            I respect Marvin Hagler & Carlos Monzon cleaning out the MW division more than Adrien Broner who cherry picked his way into being a 4 division champion.

            You may respect that bullshxt, but I don't.

            And comparing any of these cherrypickers to Henry Armstrong, who won belts in three division when there was only one champion in each division is just asinine.

            Roberto Duran fought the 2nd greatest welterweight in history in Ray Leonard and beat him in his own division.

            Comparing Canelo feasting on a shot Kovalev, who'd just had a barnburner with Yarde is idiotic.

            Plus, you're too ****** to understand that you yourself called Canelo a cherrypicker when you admitted that he purposely fought the weakest guy at 175, just so he could win a belt. Look up what cherry pick means, dummy.

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              #36
              Originally posted by The D3vil
              Oh shut up you Canelo dxckrider.

              I don't support belthopping for the sake of belthopping period.

              I believe if you aspire to win a belt in a division, you should aspire to defend it. Simple as that.

              I respect Marvin Hagler & Carlos Monzon cleaning out the MW division more than Adrien Broner who cherry picked his way into being a 4 division champion.

              You may respect that bullshxt, but I don't.

              And comparing any of these cherrypickers to Henry Armstrong, who won belts in three division when there was only one champion in each division is just asinine.

              Roberto Duran fought the 2nd greatest welterweight in history in Ray Leonard and beat him in his own division.

              Comparing Canelo feasting on a shot Kovalev, who'd just had a barnburner with Yarde is idiotic.

              Plus, you're too ****** to understand that you yourself called Canelo a cherrypicker when you admitted that he purposely fought the weakest guy at 175, just so he could win a belt. Look up what cherry pick means, dummy.
              Duran was already a welterweight and had several fights at 147 before fighting SRL- learn your history!

              I’m a huge GGG fan that doesn’t even like Canelo. I was at BOTH Canelo-GGG fights to SUPPORT GGG and thought GGG won both. (Definitely the first one, the second was debatable tbf) I also think Canelo is a drug cheat and escaped any genuine punishment, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s a great fighter with incredible accomplishments.

              You’re that much of a sad b****** that your hate for Canelo consumes you and makes you completely irrational.

              You’re obviously just a butt hurt GGG fan. How many GGG’s fights have you actually been to? I guarantee I’m a far bigger GGG fan than you’ll ever be, but I’m also a boxing fan and not just some delusional little fanboy.

              You fanboys are pathetic man...

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              • The D3vil
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                #37
                Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                Duran was already a welterweight and had several fights at 147 before fighting SRL- learn your history!

                I’m a huge GGG fan that doesn’t even like Canelo. I was at BOTH Canelo-GGG fights to SUPPORT GGG and thought GGG won both. (Definitely the first one, the second was debatable tbf) I also think Canelo is a drug cheat and escaped any genuine punishment, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s a great fighter with incredible accomplishments.

                You’re that much of a sad b****** that your hate for Canelo consumes you and makes you completely irrational.

                You’re obviously just a butt hurt GGG fan. How many GGG’s fights have you actually been to? I guarantee I’m a far bigger GGG fan than you’ll ever be, but I’m also a boxing fan and not just some delusional little fanboy.

                You fanboys are pathetic man...
                I'm not a GGG fan boy.

                He's ducking the Charlos.

                He's ducking Andrade.

                I overtly admit that he should've retired after the 1st Canelo fight and think that he lost to Jacobs & Derevyechenko.

                You just can't admit that the Ginger Diva is a cherrypicker.

                You basically admitted it when you admitted that he picked out the weakest 175lb champion solely for the purposes of picking up a belt and dropped it immediately.

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                  #38
                  why do people think ggg ducked ward when if anything it was the other way around? there is literally a whole thread debunking that myth but i guess if you ignore a lot of the evidence you can come away thinking anything. in summary ward was thrown off hbo for not fighting the guys they wanted(ggg included in them) and then 4 years later ward's offer was not legit but to know that you would have to know what the offer was and most people dont. some people dont like context. they like making their own. fight ward in a years time and delay the canelo fight for up to a year and half...why would he do that? why not just offer ggg a fight like how every other fight is done? and even if you still deny all that they aren't even in the same division so its silly.

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                    #39
                    It isn't common that's for sure.

                    I'd like to see how much it's happened with multi division title holders. It'd be cool to see a master list of 3+ division title holders & how many of those division they were #1 in. Epic difference in being a 3 division title holder vs being #1 in 3 divisions.

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                      #40
                      Victoria Bustos won belts at 135 and 140, fought Braekhus in her first fight at 147. Didn't go well for her but she did it.

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