Which fighter in current history...

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Hagler universally was considered robbed in EVERY FIGHT HE EVER LOST. Look it up.

And Monzon won 80 fights in a row. Stop it.

You can't compare people who fought in an era of zero ducking versus this era of cherrypicking, fighting twice a year, and moving up through divisions just to pick up a belt.

Adrien Broner's a 4 division champ, FFS,

Hagler was that dude. Just ask Bread



You're just too young to know what you're talking about.

The lunatic has been let back out the asylum.

That literally proves my point that you are not judged by your losses. By trying to disparage Pacquiao cause he lost to Horn or Torrecampo, you’re also disparaging Hagler as he also lost to average competition as did Monzon.

80 fights in a row but how many against ranked opposition. Off the top of my head, I’d say it’s definitely less than 20. Monzon was a great fighter just not as great as Pacman.

I love Hagler and have actually had the pleasure of meeting him. But I would conclusively rank him lower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao has more unique accomplishments and far greater longevity. Also in terms of opposition a lot of Hagler’s best opponents we’re originally from a smaller weight class.

Who’s better than who all time, is purely subjective though and is irrelevant to the discussion. It doesn’t change the fact that moving through weight divisions is very impressive, and what Pacquiao has done is almost unrivalled.

Anyway no point going off on a tangent here... it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a sad little man who’s that bitter about Canelo it causes fanatical delusion.

[The D3vil]

The lunatic has been let back out the asylum.

That literally proves my point that you are not judged by your losses. By trying to disparage Pacquiao cause he lost to Horn or Torrecampo, you’re also disparaging Hagler as he also lost to average competition as did Monzon.

80 fights in a row but how many against ranked opposition. Off the top of my head, I’d say it’s definitely less than 20. Monzon was a great fighter just not as great as Pacman.

I love Hagler and have actually had the pleasure of meeting him. But I would conclusively rank him lower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao has more unique accomplishments and far greater longevity. Also in terms of opposition a lot of Hagler’s best opponents we’re originally from a smaller weight class.

Who’s better than who all time, is purely subjective though and is irrelevant to the discussion. It doesn’t change the fact that moving through weight divisions is very impressive, and what Pacquiao has done is almost unrivalled.

Anyway no point going off on a tangent here... it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a sad little man who’s that bitter about Canelo it causes fanatical delusion.

You're not judged by your losses if you got robbed.

Pacquiao was not robbed when he lost to Horn or Marquez.

Hagler & Monzon literally dominated one of the best divisions in boxing historically for about a decade a piece and fought everybody, hall of famers, and look at what Hagler had to go through before he became champion, FFS

It's arguable that Hagler should have zero losses, with only Leonard being a maybe.

Again, those guys fought when there was no ducking or hiding with a belt somewhere. They were the only guy saying they were champion of the world.

To even compare guys who can duck and move up & down divisions for favorable matchups is ridiculous.

Hagler's win over Hearns is better than any of Pacquaio's in one of the greatest fights ever.

His one (arguable) true loss was against a guy who's arguably top 10 P4P all-time. That's it.

Pac's an ATG, but not in the realm of the long time champions in the era of "real" champions who unified and cleaned out divisions.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You're not judged by your losses if you got robbed.

Pacquiao was not robbed when he lost to Horn or Marquez.

Hagler & Monzon literally dominated one of the best divisions in boxing historically for about a decade a piece and fought everybody, hall of famers, and look at what Hagler had to go through before he became champion, FFS

It's arguable that Hagler should have zero losses, with only Leonard being a maybe.

Again, those guys fought when there was no ducking or hiding with a belt somewhere. They were the only guy saying they were champion of the world.

To even compare guys who can duck and move up & down divisions for favorable matchups is ridiculous.

Hagler's win over Hearns is better than any of Pacquaio's in one of the greatest fights ever.

His one (arguable) true loss was against a guy who's arguably top 10 P4P all-time. That's it.

Pac's an ATG, but not in the realm of the long time champions in the era of "real" champions who unified and cleaned out divisions.

Saying he was “robbed” is an OPINION. He lost 3 fights and it’s a FACT.

Hagler fought in the 3 belt era so you’re WRONG.

Even Monzon fought in the 2 belt era and wasn’t always the unified MW champion. If he fought nowadays we’d have clowns like you saying he “ducked Rodrigo Valdez for two years” and “Valdez got robbed in both those fights”.😂😂

I bet you’ve never watched a Monzon fight in your life...

I’m so done with you kid, you’re a f***ing idiot.

[The D3vil]

Saying he was “robbed” is an OPINION. He lost 3 fights and it’s a FACT.

Hagler fought in the 3 belt era so you’re WRONG.

Even Monzon fought in the 2 belt era and wasn’t always the unified MW champion. If he fought nowadays we’d have clowns like you saying he “ducked Rodrigo Valdez for two years” and “Valdez got robbed in both those fights”.😂😂

I bet you’ve never watched a Monzon fight in your life...

I’m so done with you kid, you’re a f***ing idiot.

Dummy, the IBF belt didn't even exist in '80 when Hagler became champ. He was the guy from '80 when he won the WBA/WBC & lineal belts up until he lost to SRL

It's obvious who the kid is here.

And definitely didn't duck anybody.

Like Bread said, he missed nobody and fought everybody.

Monzon held the WBA/WBC & lineal belts from '70-'77.

They both held ALL of the belts that mattered and fought EVERYBODY.

It's obvious you DKSAB just like all the other Mayweather/Pacquaio/Canelo groupies who think they're in the same league as the best of the best ATGs.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Dummy, the IBF belt didn't even exist in '80 when Hagler became champ. He was the guy from '80 when he won the WBA/WBC & lineal belts up until he lost to SRL

It's obvious who the kid is here.

And definitely didn't duck anybody.

Like Bread said, he missed nobody and fought everybody.

Monzon held the WBA/WBC & lineal belts from '70-'77.

They both held ALL of the belts that mattered and fought EVERYBODY.

It's obvious you DKSAB just like all the other Mayweather/Pacquaio/Canelo groupies who think they're in the same league as the best of the best ATGs.

Who DSKAB???

😂😂WRONG! Hagler held the IBF title, he fought until 87. So I was CORRECT in saying he fought during the 3 belt era.

😂😂WRONG! Monzon was stripped of the WBC title for not fighting his mandatory challenger Rodrigo Valdez in 75. If that happened nowadays sad tw**s like you would cry and say “Monzon is ducking him”... He regained the WBC title around 18 months later defeating Valdez twice both close decisions. If that happened nowadays sad bas****s like you would say “ Valdez was robbed”.

I don’t even like Canelo, I’m no fan of Floyd, I’m a huge admirer of Pac and what’s he’s achieved in life. But the bottom line is that are all GREAT FIGHTERS. Just cause you don’t like a guy, it doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate their ability inside the ring.

You clearly dislike Canelo (so do I) but that doesn’t give you the right to disparage his excellent career thus far making outlandish statements such as fighting a Light Heavyweight CHAMPION was a “cherry pick”.

Lets remember Monzon was actually in talks to fight John Conteh but chose not to. On a side note: What’s your favourite Monzon fight??? Considering he’s your favourite fighter you should know his career inside out.

Stop whining and complaining and get a life.

[The D3vil]

Who DSKAB???

😂😂WRONG! Hagler held the IBF title, he fought until 87. So I was CORRECT in saying he fought during the 3 belt era.

😂😂WRONG! Monzon was stripped of the WBC title for not fighting his mandatory challenger Rodrigo Valdez in 75. If that happened nowadays sad tw**s like you would cry and say “Monzon is ducking him”... He regained the WBC title around 18 months later defeating Valdez twice both close decisions. If that happened nowadays sad bas****s like you would say “ Valdez was robbed”.

I don’t even like Canelo, I’m no fan of Floyd, I’m a huge admirer of Pac and what’s he’s achieved in life. But the bottom line is that are all GREAT FIGHTERS. Just cause you don’t like a guy, it doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate their ability inside the ring.

You clearly dislike Canelo (so do I) but that doesn’t give you the right to disparage his excellent career thus far making outlandish statements such as fighting a Light Heavyweight CHAMPION was a “cherry pick”.

Lets remember Monzon was actually in talks to fight John Conteh but chose not to. On a side note: What’s your favourite Monzon fight??? Considering he’s your favourite fighter you should know his career inside out.

Stop whining and complaining and get a life.

Dude, I'm sick of arguing with you. It's been at least a damn week of your Canelo/Pacquiao stannery.

I didn't even read your response, not gonna lie.

Only a moron would think Hagler & Monzon were ducking people as both are considered among the few fighters who have few to no misses in their long and storied reigns. Just ask Breadman if you don't believe me.

I'm putting you on ignore

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[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Dude, I'm sick of arguing with you. It's been at least a damn week of your Canelo/Pacquiao stannery.

I didn't even read your response, not gonna lie.

Only a moron would think Hagler & Monzon were ducking people as both are considered among the few fighters who have few to no misses in their long and storied reigns. Just ask Breadman if you don't believe me.

I'm putting you on ignore

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Why would I ask Breadman?? He’s a **** average trainer with limited credentials...

You haters are something else, you’re that anti Canelo you become engulfed with fanatical delusion. I keep telling you I don’t like the guy, but you’re that consumed with bitterness you assume anyone who has anything positive to say about him is a fanboy.

You’ve definitely never seen a Monzon fight in your life, you’ve probably barely watched Hagler, and that’s why you were PROVEN WRONG consistently. You don’t have your own opinions on those guys because you have NEVER watched or studied them, instead you’re just regurgitating what some irrelevant trainer said.

People like you epitomise what’s wrong with modern day boxing fans as you’re never satisfied. A guy moves from 160 to 175 and defeats a reigning champion and b****es like you are whining and complaining about it. Seriously GET A LIFE, you sad c***.