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Well, from the right perspective it is.
Fury's lineage claims rests on the idea Wlad was lineal which itself is pinned to the idea that the number one ranked man can fight the number two ranked man to prove he is the lineal.
Lineal is a title that is meant to existed since Sullivan. Ranks do not exist in Sullivan's time. Who added the idea that rank has anything to do with lineal? Ring Magazine, a source that can't enforce anything to do with lineal status but has taken great pains to conflate lineal with themselves.
Beyond TBRB's very existence being a black eye for Ring, there is the fact that their founder is a plagiarist and liar. A man whose works range from reprinting other's work and claiming it for his own to just making **** up.
If you look to Sullivan's era there's a few thing a lineal must do to be lineal. First they must claim it, something no has done since the bodies took over with the exception of Tyson Fury and those that followed him, the other thing they must do is take on all legitimate challengers. Not ranked, not top ranked, all legitimate challengers. Who decides legitimacy? The champion does, it's called champion's prerogative. Who checks champions from giving themselves only easy fights? Past champions of course but above all else public support.
So what we have from Sullivan's era point of view is a situation where there are three claimants. Wilder claims to be the champion based on his WBC title, Joshua claims to be champion based on his WBA-S,IBF, and WBO titles, and Fury claims it based off man who beat the man who was the man as per a ranking board
None of these men have done anything to adhere to lineal prior to sanctioning bodies, all of them require sanctioning bodies to exist to make their claim. If you require some form of body or culture that came from bodies to make you claim to lineal how can you possibly be adhering to the principles of lineal? Simple answer is you aren't.
Tyson has to beat everyone with a legitimate claim to champion to be the lineal. His first step was claiming it, not beating Wlad, Wlad did not take on all challengers nor did Wlad ever claim lineal.
Wilder, Joshua, they've not even claimed lineal, they have nothing to do with it presently.
The only actual connection to lineal tyson Fury has beyond the claim is his fan base and public perception of his claim. Who checks the champion? The public more than anything. If the public says Fury is lineal he is lineal regardless of him having done nothing relative to boxing without sanctioning bodies. If the public believes #1 vs #2 solves a lineal vacancy then it does.....even if Sullivan through Burns knows nothing about ranks and Johnson and Willard didn't give a **** about them.
Sure, it makes Ring, CBZ, LBC, and TBRB all look like inconsistent ****s who make **** up to fit the narrative they want to push at the time when you look at any of their lists of lineals, but, that is what they actually are. Just some *******s who make **** up and spread that lie until it's believed.
You might wonder, if there was no ranking or consideration toward ranking how did the title pass in vacancy? The champion would announce the two fighter for the title he is vacating. Often their star pupil against the public favorite. How did Jeffries pass his title to Hart? He put together a match with his guy Jack Root and when Hart won awarded the title to Hart. Not done a single time in the era of bodies because, like I said before, from Dempsey to Tyson no one gave a **** until Tyson made it matter again.
It is reborn in Fury's image if you like. Because the fans believe him he is lineal.
Edit- sorry, forgot to say. All you have to do is not give a **** about fan belief or made up nonsense from journals that have never had any integrity to see Fury as just another claimant.
Fury's lineage claims rests on the idea Wlad was lineal which itself is pinned to the idea that the number one ranked man can fight the number two ranked man to prove he is the lineal.
Lineal is a title that is meant to existed since Sullivan. Ranks do not exist in Sullivan's time. Who added the idea that rank has anything to do with lineal? Ring Magazine, a source that can't enforce anything to do with lineal status but has taken great pains to conflate lineal with themselves.
Beyond TBRB's very existence being a black eye for Ring, there is the fact that their founder is a plagiarist and liar. A man whose works range from reprinting other's work and claiming it for his own to just making **** up.
If you look to Sullivan's era there's a few thing a lineal must do to be lineal. First they must claim it, something no has done since the bodies took over with the exception of Tyson Fury and those that followed him, the other thing they must do is take on all legitimate challengers. Not ranked, not top ranked, all legitimate challengers. Who decides legitimacy? The champion does, it's called champion's prerogative. Who checks champions from giving themselves only easy fights? Past champions of course but above all else public support.
So what we have from Sullivan's era point of view is a situation where there are three claimants. Wilder claims to be the champion based on his WBC title, Joshua claims to be champion based on his WBA-S,IBF, and WBO titles, and Fury claims it based off man who beat the man who was the man as per a ranking board
None of these men have done anything to adhere to lineal prior to sanctioning bodies, all of them require sanctioning bodies to exist to make their claim. If you require some form of body or culture that came from bodies to make you claim to lineal how can you possibly be adhering to the principles of lineal? Simple answer is you aren't.
Tyson has to beat everyone with a legitimate claim to champion to be the lineal. His first step was claiming it, not beating Wlad, Wlad did not take on all challengers nor did Wlad ever claim lineal.
Wilder, Joshua, they've not even claimed lineal, they have nothing to do with it presently.
The only actual connection to lineal tyson Fury has beyond the claim is his fan base and public perception of his claim. Who checks the champion? The public more than anything. If the public says Fury is lineal he is lineal regardless of him having done nothing relative to boxing without sanctioning bodies. If the public believes #1 vs #2 solves a lineal vacancy then it does.....even if Sullivan through Burns knows nothing about ranks and Johnson and Willard didn't give a **** about them.
Sure, it makes Ring, CBZ, LBC, and TBRB all look like inconsistent ****s who make **** up to fit the narrative they want to push at the time when you look at any of their lists of lineals, but, that is what they actually are. Just some *******s who make **** up and spread that lie until it's believed.
You might wonder, if there was no ranking or consideration toward ranking how did the title pass in vacancy? The champion would announce the two fighter for the title he is vacating. Often their star pupil against the public favorite. How did Jeffries pass his title to Hart? He put together a match with his guy Jack Root and when Hart won awarded the title to Hart. Not done a single time in the era of bodies because, like I said before, from Dempsey to Tyson no one gave a **** until Tyson made it matter again.
It is reborn in Fury's image if you like. Because the fans believe him he is lineal.
Edit- sorry, forgot to say. All you have to do is not give a **** about fan belief or made up nonsense from journals that have never had any integrity to see Fury as just another claimant.
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