Comments Thread For: Wilder-Fury II: The End To The Lineal Championship Debate

[Roberto Vasquez]

Any source for Fury admitting he ducked price.

Even Price admitted Fury wasn’t ducking him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2281183/amp/David-Price-Tyson-Fury-He-fight-tomorrow--boxing-latest.html

Checkmate you absolute fool...

The lineal belt is acknowledged by anyone that knows the sport. For example Manny Pacquiao is recognised as an 8 weight world champion and two of them (126 and 140) were lineal titles as he didn’t hold a recognised ABC org title at either of those weights. So WRONG again.😂😂

What evidence is there that the 50m didn’t exist? Are you really saying Al Haymon and Showtime who have funded 100m+ purses couldn’t of funded 50m? Hearn has even acknowledged it was legitimate, I can’t be bothered finding the interview but it’s there if you want to go find it...

oh dear - that article is the standard thing a fighter says who doesn't want to 'offend' his rival so the fight can happen. Joshua spent a year trying that with Wilder if you watch his interviews from that time. Watch how careful he was not to blame Wilder. Saying it was both sides fault etc. Same thing Parker did before the AJ fight

If you want an example as to why the Lineal belt is sham - look at Tyson Fury - he hasn't beaten a top 20 HW in 4 years. And Wlad was at the end of his career. What if Wallin had beaten Fury and become Lineal Champion? Fury could be 70% of his former self for all we know - the fact that he fights such poor opponents implies he is.

Prove the invisible pink unicorn god doesn't exist. Its impossible. You can only proves something exists. I've heard both Hearn and Joshua say Wilder or his team sent an email offering 50 millions but they said they were asked for "proof of funds" and failed to show it. At that time - there was no way Wilder would have offered 50 million for that fight. Wilder was hardly selling out arenas and AJ only had "rising star" status in the US. 50 million for the fight at the time made no business sense

Something else to think about - when Hearn made Ortiz's emails/tests public and Ortiz was forced to admit they had been lying about how much they were offered. Wilder said straight after he would only negotiate a Joshua fight if everything was kept private. Make of that what you will..

Anyway I have a question for you : if Fury and Wilder fight 10 times (fresh) how many times does Fury win and how many times does Wilder win?

And the same question for AJ with both of those fighters?

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kind of what I thought, but if someone wants to still recognize fury as lineal champ, then fine. to start a "new lineage" when there's another top guy out there with belts seems kind of ridiculous.

Lineal has nothing to do with belts. The whole point of lineal is to ignore the belts.

Whether you as a fan choose to "strip" Fury or not in your own mind, he still possesses Wladimir's lineage.

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If you want an example as to why the Lineal belt is sham - look at Tyson Fury

The lineal championship isn't perfect, nothing is, but it's not a sham. Klitschko reigned as champion for nearly a decade and Fury possesses that lineage. Whether we like it or not.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

oh dear - that article is the standard thing a fighter says who doesn't want to 'offend' his rival so the fight can happen. Joshua spent a year trying that with Wilder if you watch his interviews from that time. Watch how careful he was not to blame Wilder. Saying it was both sides fault etc. Same thing Parker did before the AJ fight

If you want an example as to why the Lineal belt is sham - look at Tyson Fury - he hasn't beaten a top 20 HW in 4 years. And Wlad was at the end of his career. What if Wallin had beaten Fury and become Lineal Champion? Fury could be 70% of his former self for all we know - the fact that he fights such poor opponents implies he is.

Prove the invisible pink unicorn god doesn't exist. Its impossible. You can only proves something exists. I've heard both Hearn and Joshua say Wilder or his team sent an email offering 50 millions but they said they were asked for "proof of funds" and failed to show it. At that time - there was no way Wilder would have offered 50 million for that fight. Wilder was hardly selling out arenas and AJ only had "rising star" status in the US. 50 million for the fight at the time made no business sense

Something else to think about - when Hearn made Ortiz's emails/tests public and Ortiz was forced to admit they had been lying about how much they were offered. Wilder said straight after he would only negotiate a Joshua fight if everything was kept private. Make of that what you will..

Anyway I have a question for you : if Fury and Wilder fight 10 times (fresh) how many times does Fury win and how many times does Wilder win?

And the same question for AJ with both of those fighters?

So David Price (the guy you’re saying was ducked) even admits Fury wasn’t ducking him and that still isn’t good enough for you...😂😂😂 You’ve been PROVEN WRONG just accept it and move on.

Casuals tend to misinterpret the concept of the lineal title, no surprise you done the same.

This exactly what Hearn does he exploits you casual morons in order to support his agenda. And all you m*ngs run round regurgitating “proof of funds, proof of funds!!!”🤣🤣

I’ll educate you on how boxing deals actually work. A contract and “proof of funds” are only provided when an offer is ACCEPTED. Team AJ did NOT ACCEPT the offer.

When Hearn made an offer to Deontay Wilder to fight AJ, did be include a contract? NO did he provide “proof of funds”? NO, because the offer WAS NOT ACCEPTED.

When Hearn made Wilder an offer to fight Dillian Whyte did he provide “proof of funds”? NO because the offer was NOT ACCEPTED.

When AJ fought Klitschko, a contract and proof of funds were only provided after Wlad had ACCEPTED a revised offer.

WRONG AGAIN...😂😂😂

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The lineal championship isn't perfect, nothing is, but it's not a sham. Klitschko reigned as champion for nearly a decade and Fury possesses that lineage. Whether we like it or not.

Thank you. Some common sense.

[Roberto Vasquez]

The lineal championship isn't perfect, nothing is, but it's not a sham. Klitschko reigned as champion for nearly a decade and Fury possesses that lineage. Whether we like it or not.

The Lineal championship hasn't meant anything for decades. Only reason we are talking about it is because Fury has to pretend he has an imaginary belt because he has no real ones. It's debatable if Fury even still 'holds' the lineal title. First he retired and he was also banned for drug use.

It’s generally agreed that there are only two ways to break a championship lineage. Retiring is the most obvious option. Beyond that, abdication through inactivity or a change of weight class would be the other. So for many it seemed obvious that, given Fury’s announcement, plus his absence from the ring, he had effectively surrendered his hold on the lineal heavyweight championship of the world.

Wlad never mentioned it...

[Roberto Vasquez]

So David Price (the guy you’re saying was ducked) even admits Fury wasn’t ducking him and that still isn’t good enough for you...������ You’ve been PROVEN WRONG just accept it and move on.

Casuals tend to misinterpret the concept of the lineal title, no surprise you done the same.

This exactly what Hearn does he exploits you casual morons in order to support his agenda. And all you m*ngs run round regurgitating “proof of funds, proof of funds!!!”����

I’ll educate you on how boxing deals actually work. A contract and “proof of funds” are only provided when an offer is ACCEPTED. Team AJ did NOT ACCEPT the offer.

When Hearn made an offer to Deontay Wilder to fight AJ, did be include a contract? NO did he provide “proof of funds”? NO, because the offer WAS NOT ACCEPTED.

When Hearn made Wilder an offer to fight Dillian Whyte did he provide “proof of funds”? NO because the offer was NOT ACCEPTED.

When AJ fought Klitschko, a contract and proof of funds were only provided after Wlad had ACCEPTED a revised offer.

WRONG AGAIN...������

You didn't answer my question boxing expert. You decided to talk about the $50 million of which you have still offered NO PROOF

Answer the question. You keep calling me a casual when you can't even answer a pure boxing question.

That's not true. It wasn't an official offer -it was an email. And you can ask for proof of funds before accepting an offer. Especially if its for a clearly made-up figure. Dillian Whyte could send an email to Wilder saying he will offer him $200 million to fight in the UK. So what? Anyone can send an email with any amount in. Why is Wilder asking to keep his negotiations private? What is he worried about? Why are their videos of him saying he won't fight AJ, before the first AJ/Ruiz fight, if he offered $50 million to fight him?

So if you believe Price because it came out of his mouth - you must believe Wilder clearing saying that AJ is begging for the fight, right?

[Real King Kong]

Lineal has nothing to do with belts. The whole point of lineal is to ignore the belts.

Whether you as a fan choose to "strip" Fury or not in your own mind, he still possesses Wladimir's lineage.

The lineal title is subjective...it’s not governed by anything, which is why some choose not to recognize it and others do. I don’t really care one way or the other, but in this case, it’s pretty flimsy. The winner of that fight needs to beat Joshua to be the man in everyone’s eyes...undisputed is undisputed.

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The lineal title is subjective...it’s not governed by anything, which is why some choose not to recognize it and others do. I don’t really care one way or the other, but in this case, it’s pretty flimsy. The winner of that fight needs to beat Joshua to be the man in everyone’s eyes...undisputed is undisputed.

Maybe in the eyes of UK fanboys, but even then they'd still make excuses. The general consensus is that Wilder and Fury are the top two and Joshua is #3. Joshua just got knocked down four times and quit. Then ran away the entire time during the rematch. Fury and Wilder don't need to beat Joshua to be the man in most people's eyes. In UK eyes, sure.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You didn't answer my question boxing expert. You decided to talk about the $50 million of which you have still offered NO PROOF

Answer the question. You keep calling me a casual when you can't even answer a pure boxing question.

That's not true. It wasn't an official offer -it was an email. And you can ask for proof of funds before accepting an offer. Especially if its for a clearly made-up figure. Dillian Whyte could send an email to Wilder saying he will offer him $200 million to fight in the UK. So what? Anyone can send an email with any amount in. Why is Wilder asking to keep his negotiations private? What is he worried about? Why are their videos of him saying he won't fight AJ, before the first AJ/Ruiz fight, if he offered $50 million to fight him?

So if you believe Price because it came out of his mouth - you must believe Wilder clearing saying that AJ is begging for the fight, right?

Price is obviously telling the truth. You were PROVEN WRONG about that, just like you were PROVEN WRONG about the 100k offer being “hearsay”.

They sent an offer via email, that happens regularly you complete and utter imbecile.😂😂😂 Eddie Hearn and every other promoter make offers via email all the time. What a clown man...🤣🤣🤣

You don’t even understand how people/organisations formally communicate.🤣🤣🤣 Are you that ******????

That pathetic rebuff really made me laugh. So credit to you for your comedic value.

The offer wasn’t accepted so why would “proof of funds” or a contract be provided.

Hearn did not and has never provided “proof of funds” or a contract when an offer was not accepted (and most of those offers were probably via email&#128514 Why? Because the offer WAS NOT ACCEPTED. The AJ-Klitschko, Wilder-Whyte, and Wilder-AJ negotiations all reaffirm this.

Both Barry and Eddie Hearn have confirmed that the 50m offer was legit but it didn’t meet their criteria regarding where the fight would take place etc.

It’s not hard to understand... well it might be for a Neanderthal like you.😂😂😂

I’m pretty much done explaining stuff to you, when you’re simply not intelligent enough to understand it.

I’m probably just gonna mock and insult your ******ity from here on...👍🏻