Comments Thread For: Andy Ruiz's Trainer Voices Frustration Over Joshua Venue Reveal

[boogbx]

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Let’s talk numbers - why do you think AJ gets paid millions? He fills stadium in Europe. He can fight in Europe all his career and make million dollar paydays.

I love that Ruiz beat AJ but to say he is a household name that can generate millions on his own is to show you don’t know jack squat about the business of boxing.

If Wladimir was to come back and get a chance to fight Ruiz, it would never be an even split. That’s just a fact.

Ruiz in any state with a huge Mexican population could fill a stadium here in the States.

They are obviously chasing money contemplating Saudi Arabia so Ruiz should get more since the location isn’t a place agreed upon.

Ruiz should is easily a bigger draw in the US than Joshua, the fight should be in the States since the whole point was the build up Joshua’s rep here stateside.

All BS as expected. Money talks and Joshua was exposed. Will get beat in the rematch.

[billeau2]

The most Hearn could sue Ruiz for, is his pay in fight 1.

This fight is not happening. Haymon kills Hearn in court.

I know the end game PBC is looking for.

I think someone actually knows what they are talking about...praise da lawd!

I am no legal beagle but it seems to me that a rematch clause, in this case, has many features in common with an option.

Specifically, a formal option has a certain value going in, and that value often changes. Sometimes when the value changes a lot, it is better to just pay the option out and not exerscize it.

Ruiz future performance in this contract is leveraged against his new value since winning. So Hearn has to address that future value. And to me that is the central issue, not that Ruiz can be held to performance.

If Hearn does not address that value then it will be worse for Joshua. It is almost like this contract is voidable due to Ruiz's win...Though I known this is not technically correct.

[Marchegiano]

Tyson Fury kind of proves the win is worth more than a rematch clause.

[eco1]

Why are they making such a big deal of fighting in saudi. it's a nuetral location if the money's there go make the fight. FYI for some of the ignorant westerners Saudi is a religious country so who cares about them being anti LGBT it goes against all abrahamic religions morals. Now they are lacking behind most other ****** countries with women's rights but theyre slowly getting there .

I am Anit LGBT too and anti anything that that's in the agenda by the people who are behind this, like Soros and his Mf's

[Oregonian]

Ruiz in any state with a huge Mexican population could fill a stadium here in the States.

Ruiz should is easily a bigger draw in the US than Joshua, the fight should be in the States since the whole point was the build up Joshua’s rep here stateside.

All BS as expected. Money talks and Joshua was exposed. Will get beat in the rematch.

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Prior to beating AJ not even the Mexicans cared for Ruiz. His biggest payday was vs AJ.

Ruiz is no where commercial AJ is and if he gets beat he will disappear like a fart.

Canelo was huge before fighting Floyd. After he lost he still remained popular as ever.
Marquez was huge before and after PAC.

Ruiz just got on the radar with that AJ upset. He is not bonafide yet and if he gets beat, that’s the end of him. There will be no trilogy

[billeau2]

It's an interesting question, actually.

Beating AJ has made Ruiz into a star in Mexico and raised his profile tremendously world wide. If he fought Wilder next he would earn more than $9million, even without his titles.

Retiring for a while would get him out of his contract with Hearn and AJ, but would Wilder still be WBC champion when Andy came back?

It would be a risky strategy. And of course, he wouldn't be earning anything during his "retirement".

That is the issue! A contract can even be declared "voidable" if specific performance is grossly uncompensated. If you make cookies and I sell them for ten times the amount I give you, and a clause states that you create a few more batches, and you find that the amount your paid compared to what you make is not rational then a court might consider that when compensating either party when you break the contract.

The point is that it is rational to expect that Hearns renegotiate the contract. It simply is the case that it might be better for Ruiz to break the contract under these conditions, like the cookie example.

People keep talking about the rematch clause in the contract as though it is set in stone...it has already been renegotiated considerably. Again, this will be considered as well.

[NachoMan]

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I get your point. Here’s the difference:
AJ is a mega star in Europe. Casual fans in the US didn’t know him and didn’t know Ruiz either.

Ruiz will NEVER make the kind of money AJ commands.

To prove my point, Wladimir Made way more money fighting in Europe than the US that’s why he never bothered coming here.
Very few American boxers command that kind of crowd pull plus money.
Floyd is actually the last one. Oscar and Canelo had/have the Mexican crowd’s support.

If Ruiz gets beat by AJ he will be forgotten as fast as we forgot about Buster Douglas.

I like Ruiz and I hope he beats AJ.

Fair points, but I was responding to Ruiz' value in this next fight only. It's hard to predict anybody's full career arc and earning potential. I can appreciate your point about Buster Douglas, but I don't see things shaking out the same way for Ruiz; whether he wins or not. Buster shocked the world against Tyson, then lost in a dismal showing against Evander and then he retired for 6 years. He did eventually make a comeback, but way too late to make money. Even if Ruiz loses bad to AJ in the rematch, I would argue that he is still a highly marketable HW fighter. After all, the HW division is never very deep so name fighters who want to make money have to fight other name fighters.

[uppercut510]

that's a lie. Aj ultimately left the decision making to hearn and mccracken , it won't be surprising if they postpone this fight if a side andy challenge the contract and it gets moved to the u.k where he further hurts himself .

yeah nothing aj says is actually what he said with you guys

[Murderopolis]

I heard AJ wants to fight in Saudi because its legal to kill there, and he wants to execute Ruiz.

[NachoMan]

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Prior to beating AJ not even the Mexicans cared for Ruiz. His biggest payday was vs AJ.

Ruiz is no where commercial AJ is and if he gets beat he will disappear like a fart.

Canelo was huge before fighting Floyd. After he lost he still remained popular as ever.
Marquez was huge before and after PAC.

Ruiz just got on the radar with that AJ upset. He is not bonafide yet and if he gets beat, that’s the end of him. There will be no trilogy

You've got it wrong. It's not Ruiz' career that is on the line here; it's AJ's. Win or lose, Ruiz is a name fighter now. If AJ wins, he can decide if there is a trilogy fight or not, but, either way, Ruiz remains a viable contender. There will be all kinds of high-dollar offers made to Ruiz win or lose in December.