More impressive resume. Joe Calzaghe or marciano?

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Neither were ranked.

Trinidad? Really???????????

Jones hasn't beaten a ranked fighter since 2003.

He was totally shot to shit by 2009. To consider him a legitimate opponent is embarrassing.

They must have been ranked seeing as at the time neither of them were finished. Your perspective seems very anti-Roy and I dunno how tbh. As I said even a shot Roy was better than most.

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you do realise muhammad ali wasnt much cop in his 40s too.

fact is eubank wasnt a top smw, he was 2 divisions away so de facto he wasnt a SMW, and he had a string of consecutive losses at SMW by then so was not a top one more so.

Thats said he wasnt bad even then and was a tough man. He was brought in to lose, be real. He was brought in to hand Joe a title.

that you had to write that the matchup wasnt a farce says it all about your confidence in it being a top fight.

Sure its one of joes top fights. But its no way a top opponent.

true it is one of Joes best wins, but Veit was crap too.

Eubank had been a super middleweight for a long time by the time he fought Calzaghe and he was champ in the division so there's no denying he was good there. As I said there was only one man who beat Eubank by the time Joe faced him and that was Steve Collins (a legend at SMW).

[DreamFighter]

Eubank had been a super middleweight for a long time by the time he fought Calzaghe and he was champ in the division so there's no denying he was good there.

and he was in another division, coming down at late notice. Eubank has no significant win in the 95-98 stretch in either division.

As I said there was only one man who beat Eubank by the time Joe faced him and that was Steve Collins (a legend at SMW).

you didnt see that Ben fight.
Again though this is all in the past. Its about what Eubank was at the time.


Joe has his top wins but Eubank wasn't one of them. It was good for him at the time, but his top career win is Kessler, and then Lacy, with the gift against Reid a 3rd. After that, its small potatoes all round over an 11 year title career. Mentioning Veit as a best win is a putdown on Joe, not a merit!

Comparing that to Marciano is some kind of sick joke. Froch and Benn are closer and still far from him.

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and he was in another division, coming down at late notice. Eubank has no significant win in the 95-98 stretch in either division.


you didnt see that Ben fight.
Again though this is all in the past. Its about what Eubank was at the time.


Joe has his top wins but Eubank wasn't one of them. It was good for him at the time, but his top career win is Kessler, and then Lacy, with the gift against Reid a 3rd. After that, its small potatoes all round over an 11 year title career. Mentioning Veit as a best win is a putdown on Joe, not a merit!

Comparing that to Marciano is some kind of sick joke. Froch and Benn are closer and still far from him.

The Benn fight was a gift draw no doubt but that's the past now. His only official losses were to Steve Collins, also Eubank had been fighting at catchweights between title fights at that point. That's fair enough. Also I agree Eubank isn't his best win but it's up there. You also didn't mention BHop as one of his best wins. I'd say that was a big achievement seeing as it made him a two division lineal champ.

[W1LL]

Obviously Joe. Marciano had a load of fixed mob fights.

[BoloShot]

and he was in another division, coming down at late notice. Eubank has no significant win in the 95-98 stretch in either division.


you didnt see that Ben fight.
Again though this is all in the past. Its about what Eubank was at the time.


Joe has his top wins but Eubank wasn't one of them. It was good for him at the time, but his top career win is Kessler, and then Lacy, with the gift against Reid a 3rd. After that, its small potatoes all round over an 11 year title career. Mentioning Veit as a best win is a putdown on Joe, not a merit!

Comparing that to Marciano is some kind of sick joke. Froch and Benn are closer and still far from him.

I don't know how you got that I think Calzaghe had a brilliant resumé, I thought his career was very underwhelming considering his skill. Marciano lived up to more considering his talent was fewer hence why I believe so many people over rate his pumped up career knocking out past it old men, only two of them not being totally shot in Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles. Marciano still doubled up on his victories more and I guess the contenders at the time were stronger so I'd still say he's better but it's hard to say really. Both somewhat padded.

[DreamFighter]

The Benn fight was a gift draw

if you admit it, thats fine.

Also I agree Eubank isn't his best win but it's up there. You also didn't mention BHop as one of his best wins. I'd say that was a big achievement seeing as it made him a two division lineal champ.

I didnt mention bhop because you stipulated his 20+ defences as the criteria. and I stuck to your definition perfectly.

Which also discounts Eubonk automatically anyway since it wasnt a defence.

[DreamFighter]

I don't know how you got that I think Calzaghe had a brilliant resumé, I thought his career was very underwhelming considering his skill. Marciano lived up to more considering his talent was fewer hence why I believe so many people over rate his pumped up career knocking out past it old men, only two of them not being totally shot in Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles.

that is very fair, np, mate, but its still an ATG career of undisputed title defences, something Joe never got close to doing even once.

Claiming that point only spoils the by far two best names on Joe's resume.

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if you admit it, thats fine.

I didnt mention bhop because you stipulated his 20+ defences as the criteria. and I stuck to your definition perfectly.

Which also discounts Eubonk automatically anyway since it wasnt a defence.

OK fair enough just thought we'd moved past his defenses at this point and just summed up his career but yeah it's hard to argue over who has a worse resumé of two pumped up ones.

[DreamFighter]

OK fair enough just thought we'd moved past his defenses at this point and just summed up his career but yeah it's hard to argue over who has a worse resumé of two pumped up ones.

I am certainly in no doubt that hes arguably the best British SMWs ever, and one of the top SMWs of the world, which underlines really how little history the division currently has when a man who has barely one unified defence is regarded as one of the best.