More impressive resume. Joe Calzaghe or marciano?

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Roy Jones still a high level opponent in 2009?????

Are you sure?????

He certainly wasn’t...😂

Joe’s top quality wins are Kessler and B-Hop.

He has a some solid wins against Lacey, Reid, Eubank, Reid etc though.

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Marciano beat Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott twice, Ezzard Charles twice and knocked out Joe Louis.

The end!

Exactly. What a ridiculous thread.

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I’d personally rate Ward higher than Joe myself. That same Kessler clearly beat Froch though...

What I’m disagreeing with is you suggesting Joe was not #1 at 168. During the mid 2000’s and specifically 06-08 he was undoubtedly #1 at 168. He was arguably the best super middleweight for the majority of the 2000’s tbf.

I just don't think that's impressive, it took him 13 years to reach that status and he was there for 1-2 years at the most. Jean Pascal performed about as well vs Hopkins in their first fight as Joe did and JT+Dawson beat B Hop as well. Not to mention Robin Reid arguably beat Joe years earlier.

06-08 was pre-Ward, Froch, Abraham, Taylor, Dirrell etc. At the weight.

I got prime JT, prime Dirrell, Froch, Ward, Bute etc. All beating him, I think Ramirez and Benavidez could also beat him not to mention all the current LHW champions that'd starch him.

You look up and down on his resume and he avoided power hitters like the plague, he was getting his chin checked by non punchers throughout his career.

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He certainly wasn’t...😂

Joe’s top quality wins are Kessler and B-Hop.

He has a some solid wins against Lacey, Reid, Eubank, Reid etc though.

Lacey ain't much better than Sheika though, he was massively overhyped.

Reid arguably beat him.

Eubank was pretty much shot and dropped 20lbs on a week's notice after a scheduled fight at 180+.

And Hopkins was beaten more decisively vs JT and Dawson. His only real impressive win was Kessler but then again a young Ward battered and stopped him.

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Calzaghe would beat up a bunch of fighters who were shells of their former selves. I would go with Rocky Marciano.

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Marciano, he whopped Joe Louis' ass.

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I just don't think that's impressive, it took him 13 years to reach that status and he was there for 1-2 years at the most. Jean Pascal performed about as well vs Hopkins in their first fight as Joe did and JT+Dawson beat B Hop as well. Not to mention Robin Reid arguably beat Joe years earlier.

06-08 was pre-Ward, Froch, Abraham, Taylor, Dirrell etc. At the weight.

I got prime JT, prime Dirrell, Froch, Ward, Bute etc. All beating him, I think Ramirez and Benavidez could also beat him not to mention all the current LHW champions that'd starch him.

You look up and down on his resume and he avoided power hitters like the plague, he was getting his chin checked by non punchers throughout his career.

I had Joe beating B-Hop whilst I thought Pascal got outboxed and lost both times.

I just don’t see how you can’t say Calzaghe was #1 when there was at the very least a clear 2 year period where he was the undisputed #1.

Out of all those guys you listed he beats them all apart from Ward. I mean he’d be a stylistic nightmare for Froch. And you can’t criticise Joe’s resume then list guys like Dirrell or Bute who’s never really beat anyone. It just sounds hypocritical.

You seem very anti-Calzaghe tbh. You make some valid points but to say Calzaghe was never #1 at 168 or he’d lose to guy like Dirrell is straight up delusional.

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you said TOPTOP, not stand in from 2 divisions away at last minute notice. He wasnt even ranked in joes division.



actually I totally agree, good opponent! arguably a draw or loss mind you.



not when he was about to retire. another dodgy result though, and rematch refused once again.

You have got to be kiddin me!


he was a joes first legit title capture so yes, i agree, emphatic win.


yes

2 good title level wins in 3 good opponents.

I guess if you define the word "some" as 2 then yes. Just a bit short of rockys atg career though!








not title defences.You DID say title defences.

You do realise Chris Eubank was the WBO Super Middleweight champ before Joe fought him? He had only lost to Steve Collins at that point in his career and then Collins retired so he was called up for the vacant belt. The matchup wasn't a farce. Veit was pumped up I will grant you that but he was also worthy of title contention more than most of Joe's opponents. Also Marciano was certainly great but his wins I'd say were more emphatic seeming due to his knockouts but Joe was great due to his tactical variation, early knockout power and skills.

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Roy Jones still a high level opponent in 2009?????

Are you sure?????

Well I know he'd lost to Tarver and Johnson at that point but Roy still had juice in the tank. Sure he went on to go for cruiserweight and heavyweight glory afterwards the mad bastard. Love him, he's a real great, no pumped up resumé you can really debate was great or not.

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Well I know he'd lost to Tarver and Johnson at that point but Roy still had juice in the tank. Sure he went on to go for cruiserweight and heavyweight glory afterwards the mad bastard. Love him, he's a real great, no pumped up resumé you can really debate was great or not.

No he really didn't. Heavyweight and Crusierweight glory after 2004? Yeah...NO. He had NO glory after that.

Still had juice in the tank based on what??? Not reality. Jones had no juice in the tank he was shot to shit by then. He hadn't even beat a ranked fighter since like 2003.