More impressive resume. Joe Calzaghe or marciano?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Joe Calzaghe probably maybe has a better resume maybe, but Marciano fought in a more highly competitive era 'Boxing pretty much was the biggest sport in the world back then'. People try and knock Calzaghe's resume, but he made a lot of title defenses and against fighters who where ether former world champions. 'I am not sure of the number of former world champions he fought, or fighters that went on to become world champion' but it is quite afew. I saw a interview where he was speaking about this fact, when people try and discredit him.

Rocky Marciano fought in a more competitive era in boxing, and he did fight some legends.

So maybe I will give it to Rocky Marciano.

For example here are two fighters who I think where ether former world champions, which means? They are proven fighters.

[Cutthroat]

I had Joe beating B-Hop whilst I thought Pascal got outboxed and lost both times.

I just don’t see how you can’t say Calzaghe was #1 when there was at the very least a clear 2 year period where he was the undisputed #1.

Out of all those guys you listed he beats them all apart from Ward. I mean he’d be a stylistic nightmare for Froch. And you can’t criticise Joe’s resume then list guys like Dirrell or Bute who’s never really beat anyone. It just sounds hypocritical.

You seem very anti-Calzaghe tbh. You make some valid points but to say Calzaghe was never #1 at 168 or he’d lose to guy like Dirrell is straight up delusional.

Bc he was #1 during a lull after 13 years, it's sort of disingenuous.

Kessler boxed off the back foot, he was not a come forward or inside fighter like Froch. Froch would've walked him down and with those looping shots, powerful jab and cracked his chin.

Joe was more than vulnerable on the inside, it'd look much like Bute-Froch. Joe had been knocked down what 5x in his career? None hit as hard as Froch.

I just don't hold him to that high standards bc how terrible he looked vs Hopkins and being down 2x against RJJ & Hopkins. It's like the dude weighed 170+ in both fights, had it actually been at 168 I think that shot possibly KOs him.

[BoloShot]

No he really didn't. Heavyweight and Crusierweight glory after 2004? Yeah...NO. He had NO glory after that.

Still had juice in the tank based on what??? Not reality. Jones had no juice in the tank he was shot to shit by then. He hadn't even beat a ranked fighter since like 2003.

Felix Trinidad and Jeff Lacy? He had beaten Trinidad just before his Calzaghe fight. I also said he went for glory in the cruiserweights, I know he ultimately didn't get there but he only ever lost to top contenders at the very least even when he was shot. Roy always had talent, shame his speed had to go eventually.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Bc he was #1 during a lull after 13 years, it's sort of disingenuous.

Kessler boxed off the back foot, he was not a come forward or inside fighter like Froch. Froch would've walked him down and with those looping shots, powerful jab and cracked his chin.

Joe was more than vulnerable on the inside, it'd look much like Bute-Froch. Joe had been knocked down what 5x in his career? None hit as hard as Froch.

I just don't hold him to that high standards bc how terrible he looked vs Hopkins and being down 2x against RJJ & Hopkins. It's like the dude weighed 170+ in both fights, had it actually been at 168 I think that shot possibly KOs him.

I’m glad you’ve admitted he was #1 at one point though, that was the main thing I disagreed with. All the other stuff is subjective so there’s no definitive answer.

I understand what you’re trying to say about Calzaghe but in that same sense though look how badly Froch struggled with Dirrell, Taylor or Groves anyone who had hand speed, timing and footwork caused Froch major problems. Calzaghe would be no different, he’d beat Froch easily IMO. As I said though it is subjective.

[GhostofDempsey]

Lol did you not see a green Andre Ward beat the piss out of Kessler FAR more decisively than Joe? And Lacey, my god, the guy that nearly lost to 26-6 Sheika (b4 Joe) and Tsypko, now you're reaching.

Yes, we saw a dirty Ward beat Kessler with head butts and elbows.

[IronDanHamza]

Felix Trinidad and Jeff Lacy? He had beaten Trinidad just before his Calzaghe fight. I also said he went for glory in the cruiserweights, I know he ultimately didn't get there but he only ever lost to top contenders at the very least even when he was shot. Roy always had talent, shame his speed had to go eventually.

Neither were ranked.

Trinidad? Really???????????

Jones hasn't beaten a ranked fighter since 2003.

He was totally shot to shit by 2009. To consider him a legitimate opponent is embarrassing.

[DreamFighter]

You do realise

you do realise muhammad ali wasnt much cop in his 40s too.

fact is eubank wasnt a top smw, he was 2 divisions away so de facto he wasnt a SMW, and he had a string of consecutive losses at SMW by then so was not a top one more so.

Thats said he wasnt bad even then and was a tough man. He was brought in to lose, be real. He was brought in to hand Joe a title.

matchup wasn't a farce.

that you had to write that the matchup wasnt a farce says it all about your confidence in it being a top fight.

Sure its one of joes top fights. But its no way a top opponent.

Veit was pumped up I will grant you that but he was also worthy of title contention more than most of Joe's opponents.

true it is one of Joes best wins, but Veit was crap too.

[DreamFighter]

Jones hasn't beaten a ranked fighter since 2003.

He was totally shot to shit by 2009. To consider him a legitimate opponent is embarrassing.

which is what joe said, almost to the letter, 2 years before he fought Jones.

And then he fought Jones, pretending he was legit.

But it helped avoid Froch so it made sense to him.

[Cutthroat]

I’m glad you’ve admitted he was #1 at one point though, that was the main thing I disagreed with. All the other stuff is subjective so there’s no definitive answer.

I understand what you’re trying to say about Calzaghe but in that same sense though look how badly Froch struggled with Dirrell, Taylor or Groves anyone who had hand speed, timing and footwork caused Froch major problems. Calzaghe would be no different, he’d beat Froch easily IMO. As I said though it is subjective.

Bute was arguably faster than all them and Froch tore through him. Joe was a come forward swarmer and that's a no no vs Froch, he had a tendency to fight on the inside and could easily get caught there. I see Froch going at him and ending it early like Bute.

JC doesn't box from purely from range like Dirrell, doesn't have GG's power, and JT had beaten Hopkins more decisively and had more power than JC.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Bute was arguably faster than all them and Froch tore through him. Joe was a come forward swarmer and that's a no no vs Froch, he had a tendency to fight on the inside and could easily get caught there. I see Froch going at him and ending it early like Bute.

JC doesn't box from purely from range like Dirrell, doesn't have GG's power, and JT had beaten Hopkins more decisively and had more power than JC.

Bute was a hype job IMO. Joe was far better than Bute. I never rated him after he went life and death with Andrade. I expected Froch to walk through him tbh. Still a good win though as a lot of people picked Bute based off the hype it’s was kind of similar to people picking Lacy against Calzaghe.

As I’ve explained, I’m supremely confident Calzaghe schools Froch. I don’t think we’ll change each other’s mind, may as well agree to disagree.