Any AJ fanboy here willing to admit that they undersold Wilder?

[DaNeutral.]

Nope i wont be doing that. 12.5 at the time was ok, 15 was good and everything over that is OVERPAYING Wilder. Yes having these 2 fighters combining for a fight elevates it financially but that is covered in the offers. If we were just paying Wilder what he was worth based on his earnings he would be getting alot less. Now his value has grown and the offers have grown with it.

To look at it now and then try to put it next to offers made in the past is twisting the story and creating a false narrative, but then thats what the Wilder fanboys do best. Not fans, im a Wilder fan, Fanboys, there is a difference and its a big one.

[Jax teller]

JULY 5

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/44721432

Anthony Joshua signs Wembley Stadium fight deal for September and April


JULY 16

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-povetkin-officially-announced-922-wembley-stadium--130008

Joshua-Povetkin Officially Announced; 9/22 at Wembley Stadium

Povektin Fight was order to be immediate on the 26/06/2018 that's when the Wilder fight came off the table. You're timeline don't work and the venue was what they was waiting for to announce and finalise the Povetkin deal.

Good effort though.

[CharlieStewart]

When a fight does 1 million PPV buys, the fighters make a lot more than 24 million combined.

Depends on the deal.

"Despite Frank Warren's original claim that the revenue would be split 50-50, it was revealed that if the fight generated 1 million PPV buys, Wilder could make $14 million (£10.94 million) and Fury would earn around $10.25 million (£8 million). Both boxers would see this increase to their base purses after receiving their percentages from pay-per-view revenue."

Pretty clear.

And when a fight sells 325k @ $74.99 thats a little over $24m generated from ppv, no way is there $24m in the pot.

[DaNeutral.]

So how much is Wilder going to be getting for the Breazeale fight? Not alot, they are not even willing to match the DAZN offer. I see they screwing Breazeale over too and he doesnt even have a say. It sure is a dictatorship at the PBC. Wilder says he takes control of his own career? He has ZERO control over his business dealings.

He has earnt less than 25million in over 40 fights in purse money. Hes been offered $80 for 2 fights against Anthony Joshua. That isnt enough? Need to nosey in to what Joshua is getting? He didnt turn down 12.5 or 15 cuz they were lowballs he turned them down because he is DUCKING. He is only getting offered this much to tempt him to stop DUCKING. But he has turned that down because he is DUCKING. Hell he is calling 40 million a lowball.

[Froch_uppercut]

The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $5m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans said Wilder was ducking at $15m and that it was a good deal.
The AJ fans now say Wilder is ducking at $40m and that it was a good deal.

The first two statements weren't true at the time yet the AJ fans were all up in arms about how Wilder was a chump who was ducking AJ. It was funny how certain people here - mostly from a particular region in the world - have stamped their feet and thrown temper tantrums about how Wilder was a coward. Not a week went by without a new thread from some of these folks. Considering the short amount of time that has passed and the amount that the offers have risen, it shows that all those fanboys were wrong - those deals ****** all along as some of us said they did. They were chump change deals and now everyone knows it. Time to apologize, fanboys. You were and are wrong.

Somehow though the narrative hasn't changed yet from those same trash posters because they're not mature enough to admit it. They instead continue to double (triple?) down on their own idiocy. They still claim Wilder is ducking AJ. Guess what? He didn't duck him then and he isn't ducking now. And for the millionth time I will say that I believe AJ has the upper hand in a match between him and Wilder. When that fight happens I'm putting money on AJ.

So let's get this out there. Wilder's pattern isn't ducking and it's actually quite consistent. Instead, Wilder has and continues to bet on himself. He could have taken the guaranteed low-ball money but he's continually doubled down on his ability to bank more later. And that belief has been rewarded as he banks more in each fight. Now he's talking big time numbers. He's like a poker player and his pile of chips has steadily increased. Was this the right time to push them to the middle? It's pretty obvious that he doesn't think so.

As for my personal take, I'm inclined to believe that the current offers are good. I think we're finally into the ballpark of what is the reasonable market rate. Without knowing any more I probably would have taken it. But I'm not privy to all the offers Wilder has received and I doubt anyone else here is either. It may be that by waiting another 3 months and KOing Breazeale - if he does - could up that offer to $200M over 3-4 fights. We simply don't know what the maximum upside is since undefeated heavyweights historically have always commanded the most money. It could be that by holding out just a few more months and another win both he and Joshua could make money that makes the Floyd-Pac gate look small. If Wilder thinks (or more likely if it's already down on paper) that he could make more by winning his next one and then signing then he's just betting on himself which is what he's done consistently. It could be a smart move or his run at the table could end suddenly and all those potential riches would instantly evaporate. That's the risk he's taking and we'll see if it pays off or whether it's one of the dumbest business decisions in boxing history.

We know that Joshua probably brings about 90% of the commercial value to this fight, but Widelr wants way more.

AJ and Hearn want his belt, so they are willing to pay over the odds for it. However, Finkel and Wilder are hostaging it and that's a fact. The fact that Wilder is being offered more and more does not mean it is HIM that is worth it, he simply has the belt that AJ will take when he knocks that liar out.

There are other parts to this equation: Finkel wants Dazn and Hearn to fail in the states and will block the Wilder fight by giving DW bad advice. Wilder does not need much encouraging to be told he's not fighting Joshua, his pants are full of poo at the thought of it, so he is happy to go along with it all.

As you point out, this is more than a fair offer and in my opinion is the ceiling. It is not logical to assume that because you turned down x dollars last time and they offered you more then it follows that if you turn this down then they'll offer you more this time too. Nope, don't assume that. it's not logical. If it was, then you could always make a case for turning down any offer "because hey, I turned it down last time and they gave me more." Using this thinking, you'd never make a fight. Which is what both Finkel and Widler want, no fight with AJ.

Nope, there is a max to all this, and we are there (I think).

Wilder is being grossly mismanaged but loves ducking. Hopefully Big Dominic will khtfo and we can all move on to enjoying meaningful hw fights. He's been beaten by Fury too - he's a cheeky cvnt with his demands.

[Granath]

We know that Joshua probably brings about 90% of the commercial value to this fight, but Widelr wants way more.

Didn't bother reading any more. AJ doesn't bring 90% in the US and that's where major dollars are coming from.

Thanks for replying but try again.

[Mirror Universe]

Depends on the deal.

No, it doesn't. 1 million buys at $75 is $75 million from domestic PPV alone. 30% goes to the PPV companies now, so that's $52.5 million in the pot. Easily tens of millions more from UK PPV, live gate, sponsors, foreign rights, closed circuit, movie theaters, delayed broadcast rights, etc.

The fighters would end up with way way more than 24 million.

[Mirror Universe]

Povektin Fight was order to be immediate on the 26/06/2018 that's when the Wilder fight came off the table. You're timeline don't work and the venue was what they was waiting for to announce and finalise the Povetkin deal.

You need to read what I actually write instead of what you imagine. I wrote:

"The two Wembley dates were announced before the Povetkin fight was announced."

Which is true.

And if the two Wembley dates were announced July 5, that means Hearn knew those dates for weeks, if not months.

Hearn repeatedly said he wasn't willing to do the Wilder fight in September. That it was too big of a fight for September. That's not Wilder's fault. He agreed to take 15 flat as long as the fight took place in 2018. Hearn wasn't willing. Which is his right. Just be honest about it.

[Fabes88]

The day he generates the figures he has been offered on his own ill gladly admit I undersold him. In my eyes that’s not he’s worth yet until he starts making that amount. It’s just what he’s been offered.

[Real King Kong]

Actually, it's not. We already know Showtime upped their offer. We don't know how much.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me who I'm supposed to be. If you truly believe that I'm an alt, either you don't have the intelligence to figure it out or the balls to say it. Please feel free to contact any admin and have them look into it down to my MAC address.

Lol at the alt talking about not having the balls to be straightforward. You telling me I don’t have “intelligence” to figure out who’s alt you are, would be a strange thing to say for someone who’s not an alt.