What PBC, DAZN & ESPN need to do....

[Pigeons]

Meanwhile, HBO continued to refuse to stream their fights live, to keep up appearances in the ratings, while Showtime's subscriber base grew and grew.

You're wrong. Showtime's subscriber base has remained stagnant since 2015.


27.7M subscribers in 2015: https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/re...february-2015/


27.9M subscribers in 2018: https://sportstvratings.com/how-much...-2-2-2-2/8885/

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Has it? How many downloads has it had?

Obviously no way to know the number of downloads, but since the app launched, Showtime has started closing the gap on HBO in a major way.

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You're wrong. Showtime's subscriber base has remained stagnant since 2015.


27.7M subscribers in 2015: https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/re...february-2015/


27.9M subscribers in 2018: https://sportstvratings.com/how-much...-2-2-2-2/8885/

Dude, seriously, use your brain a little bit before declaring that I'm wrong. It's very insulting. You just posted THE NIELSEN NUMBERS, i.e., homes getting Showtime from cable/satellite. That doesn't count the app subscribers. So to prove that the app hasn't been a success, you posted the numbers that don't count the app. Brilliant on your part.

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since the app launched, Showtime has started closing the gap on HBO in a major way.

Using what metric? Network profits?

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Using what metric? Network profits?

subscribers

[Pigeons]

Dude, seriously, use your brain a little bit before declaring that I'm wrong. It's very insulting. You just posted THE NIELSEN NUMBERS, i.e., homes getting Showtime from cable/satellite. That doesn't count the app subscribers. So to prove that the app hasn't been a success, you posted the numbers that don't count the app. Brilliant on your part.

Fair enough. Please provide evidence of subscribers for Showtime's app to support your claim of rising subscribers.

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Fair enough. Please provide evidence of subscribers for Showtime's app to support your claim of rising subscribers.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/cbs-all-access-showtime-ott-nearing-5-3m-combined-subs/

[MasterPlan]

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/cbs-al...combined-subs/

What is DAZN numbers?
I know ESPN+ recently hit the 1 million mark.

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What is DAZN numbers?
I know ESPN+ recently hit the 1 million mark.

dazn hasnt disclosed

[bballchump11]

Ye

On top of that, these ignorant fans kept saying Showtime Boxing was struggling because "ratings" have been down, not realizing Showtime started streaming fights live on their app, which isn't counted by Nielsen.

Meanwhile, HBO continued to refuse to stream their fights live, to keep up appearances in the ratings, while Showtime's subscriber base grew and grew.

Showtime's app has been a smash success, even if it's created the illusion that viewership is down. HBO focused on optics and ended up failing spectacularly, while SHO put their focus on the fan, and won the war in the process.

Yeah it reminds me of what Colin Cowherd said a couple weeks ago. 10 years ago, he'd get his ratings every morning to see how he did. Now they have a long sheet of different statistics to measure their success from streaming, ratings, social media, etc. Showtime expanded their budget because they saw that boxing was making them money and driving their subscribers.