Haymon killing another unification fight?

[RyuKenF]

Just going by Top rank/Bob Arum’s history, it’s difficult to see Crawford fighting the others, a lot of these fights don’t happen due to politics. I would love to see Arum or Haymon offering each other big money for both fighters to fight each other but that would never happen.

true dat he usually keeps things inhouse

[RyuKenF]

If Crawford starts coming out with reasons why he can't and shouldn't have to fight Spence I will point the finger at him too!

that fight needs to happen

[N/A]

I know that the contract must have been for a fight this year because the WBA would never have given Hearn an extension on their mandatory deadline to negotiate a unification fight unless it was going to happen before the mando.

Hearn used the potential of a Wilder fight to get the best deal possible out of Povetkin. Hearn certainly postured like he was willing to fight Wilder next, but in the end, he was never willing to send a contract that guaranteed the fight would be next. He asked for more time to give a date and then eventually admitted the date was April 2019. Wilder never had an opportunity to sign anything for a 2018 fight.

When Wilder sent Joshua a term sheet for 50 million, it clearly stated there would be no interim fights and that their fight would take place in November or December. Deals are done all the time without a specific date, but there is language guaranteeing the fight is next and the window of time the fight must take place in.

So Hearn was either being sneaky, or is completely incompetent, because the contract he sent conveniently left out any language whatsoever that would bound him to doing the fight next. And when he was asked to add language guaranteeing the fight would be next, he refused. He's one of the most successful promoters in the world and definitely one of the smartest, so it's highly unlikely this language was left out due to incompetence. Clearly he didn't want the fight next.

[N/A]

I think Top Rank would have an easy time making Crawford-Ramirez, Crawford-Prograis, Crawford-Taylor (if he can win the WBSS). Sure, they are at 140 but they will be at 147 soon enough.

Very possible. That's certainly Arum's M.O. Have his top stars fight guys moving up in weight whenever possible.

[kafkod]

Hearn used the potential of a Wilder fight to get the best deal possible out of Povetkin. Hearn certainly postured like he was willing to fight Wilder next, but in the end, he was never willing to send a contract that guaranteed the fight would be next. He asked for more time to give a date and then eventually admitted the date was April 2019. Wilder never had an opportunity to sign anything for a 2018 fight.

That is a blatent and cynical lie. Hearn changed the date of his offer to April 2019 after the WBA called time on their extension and ordered AJ vs Povetkin to be finalised with immediate effect.

I've asked you this question before and never gotten a straight answer .. what do you think would have happened if Wilder had signed the contract before the WBA did that?

Are you saying that Hearn would then have been able to enter whatever date he liked on it .. after telling everybody concerned - Haymon, Finkel, Wilder, Povetkin and his promoter, the WBA, the media, the TV networks, etc - that the fight was going to happen in Oct or Nov this year?

When Wilder sent Joshua a term sheet for 50 million, it clearly stated there would be no interim fights and that their fight would take place in November or December. Deals are done all the time without a specific date, but there is language guaranteeing the fight is next and the window of time the fight must take place in.

So Hearn was either being sneaky, or is completely incompetent, because the contract he sent conveniently left out any language whatsoever that would bound him to doing the fight next. And when he was asked to add language guaranteeing the fight would be next, he refused. He's one of the most successful promoters in the world and definitely one of the smartest, so it's highly unlikely this language was left out due to incompetence. Clearly he didn't want the fight next.

It's put up or shut up time. I'm challenging you now to provide some evidence of the bolded in that comment of yours.

[Ray*]

i hope haymon and hearn can make wilder vs joshua it needs to happen

That’s wishful thinking, with the Fox/PBC collaboration now we know why they were hesitant to sign the Joshua/Wilder fight. I love competition but if every fighter are going to be prevented from fighting their rivals due to TV networks then we should pray for their demise.

[kafkod]

Hearn used the potential of a Wilder fight to get the best deal possible out of Povetkin.

Nonsense!

Povetkin is AJ's mando and his promoter is probably the richest man in world boxing. Hearn would have had to make Povetkin a very good offer, substantially more than his mandated cut, to avoid losing the fight to Ryabinsky on a purse bid.

The possibilty of a unification fight with Wilder would have made no difference at all there.

[kafkod]

Hearn used the potential of a Wilder fight to get the best deal possible out of Povetkin.

Here's a reminder of what happens when you fck around with Povetkin's promoter.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...-deontay/58101

"A lawsuit seeking damages for defamation and breach of contract was filed today by boxer Aleksandr Povetkin and his promoter Andrey Ryabinsky, President of World of Boxing promotional firm . The complaint was lodged today in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. The defendants are world super heavyweight boxing champion Deontay Wilder, DiBella Entertainment and its CEO, Lou DiBella. The claim is for at least $34.5 mln."

If Hearn had lied to Ryabinsky about the proposed date of the unification with Wilder, he would have ended up in court as soon as the truth came out. And he wouldn't have had a leg to stand on, or a boxing promotion business, after the courts were finished with him!

[chrisJS]

Very possible. That's certainly Arum's M.O. Have his top stars fight guys moving up in weight whenever possible.

He also has them move up a lot and fight top fighters in other divisions.

[N/A]

That is a blatent and cynical lie. Hearn changed the date of his offer to April 2019 after the WBA called time on their extension and ordered AJ vs Povetkin to be finalised with immediate effect.

April 2019 is the first date he ever gave in writing that Wilder would have been able to sign for. You keep saying he had a pen, but you can't sign something that doesn't exist. So no, it's not a lie. You just don't know how pens work. The WBA order was done as a favor to Hearn, just like the WBO suddenly deciding Povetkin wasn't mandatory, after saying over and over that he was. Don't you realize these sanctioning bodies are puppets? If Hearn wanted Wilder next, the WBA would have said okay. Hearn wanted Povetkin next, so the WBA said okay.

Hearn claimed he had 24 hours to sign the Povetkin fight so AJ wouldn't get stripped, but over a week later Povetkin said the fight still wasn't signed. So clearly there was plenty of time to let Wilder sign. Hearn simply didn't want the fight next. Why would he? Any competent promoter would have wanted the Povetkin fight next.

what do you think would have happened if Wilder had signed the contract before the WBA did that?

There was nothing to sign. Hearn sent a contract with a blank date so Finkel could go through the terms and Hearn said he'd send a date in a few days for Finkel to fill in. When Hearn sent the date finally, it was April.