Haymon killing another unification fight?

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Hearn has never denied that the contract didn't have a date. But you are saying he refused to add language gauranteeing the fight would be next when asked to do so. I'm saying that's a lie.

You're saying that's a lie, but Hearn isn't. The term sheet Wilder sent had a clause that the fight had to be next. Standard procedure.

Hearn sent a contract that didn't guarantee the fight would be next. He doesn't deny that. Do you think that was an accident? Are you saying Hearn is incompetent and accidentally left out the "no interim fights" language that anybody would include if they really wanted the fight next?

[kafkod]

Now you're changing your position. First you said Hearn refuted that he was sent a term sheet. That was a lie. Caught in a blatant lie, you're trying to completely reinvent your argument. Why did you choose to lie? Why did you say Hearn refuted when you know he didn't?

You don't send a contract when the term sheet hasn't been agreed to in principle. This is the problem. You know absolutely nothing about how boxing works and you think you know everything.

Until the two sides have a mutual understanding on the major points, you don't send a contract with the minor points. Hearn didn't sent Wilder a contract until Wilder accepted the term sheet. That is how things go in boxing. Hearn convinced the AJ sheep Wilder didn't want the fight because he didn't send a contract without Hearn giving his blessing to the term sheet, yet Hearn himself didn't send a contract until Wilder gave his blessing to the term sheet.

So Hearn's own actions show Hearn is lying.

No .. what I'm saying is that I saw tweets and instagram posts from Finkel himself refusing to send Hearn any details of the offer unless AJ accepted the money first. And AJ never accepted the money.

I also read, with my own eyes, Finkel saying that Hearn had 48 hours to accept the offer before it was withdrawn. And Hearn didn't accept it. So what would have been the point of sending a term sheet for an offer after the offer was withdrawn?


So who is the liar .. Finkel or Espinoza? Or are they both lying?

[kafkod]

You're saying that's a lie, but Hearn isn't. The term sheet Wilder sent had a clause that the fight had to be next. Standard procedure.

Hearn sent a contract that didn't guarantee the fight would be next. He doesn't deny that. Do you think that was an accident? Are you saying Hearn is incompetent and accidentally left out the "no interim fights" language that anybody would include if they really wanted the fight next?

Lol .. it's hilarous the way you talk about the detailed contents of documents you have never seen!

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No .. what I'm saying is that I saw tweets and instagram posts from Finkel himself refusing to send Hearn any details of the offer unless AJ accepted the money first. And AJ never accepted the money.

That's not true. A term sheet was sent outlining all of the major points and all of the major points were confirmed publicly as well. 50 million + 50%. No interim fights. Fight to take place by the end of the year at a location of Wilder's choosing. No rematch clause for either fighter.

If those deal points aren't satisfactory, there's no reason to start negotiating the color of the ring steps or the order the national anthems are played in. This is how boxing works. Since you've never negotiated a fight and don't know how boxing works, Hearn is able to fool you on IFL. But Hearn's own actions show he's lying because Hearn himself never sent a contract until AFTER the term sheet was agreed to. Which is how things work in boxing and many other businesses.

I also read, with my own eyes, Finkel saying that Hearn had 48 hours to accept the offer before it was withdrawn.

He said that because Hearn said the same thing when he sent the 12.5 offer. It's called gamesmanship. It's part of negotiating. Hearn sent a ridiculous deadline, so Finkel copied & pasted Hearn's own words and included an identical deadline in the offer. Both sides realize those kinds of deadlines are nonsense. They continued to negotiate both offers for weeks on end. So complaining about the deadline is idiotic because #1 it was Hearn's own deadline and #2 the offer was kept on the table for weeks if not months.

And Hearn didn't accept it. So what would have been the point of sending a term sheet for an offer after the offer was withdrawn?

The offer wasn't withdrawn, just as the 12.5 offer wasn't withdrawn. And the term sheet was included with the initial offer. Wilder didn't just email AJ and say "I'll give you 50 million, let's fight." A term sheet was included. Something Hearn himself doesn't deny, even though you lied about him denying it, only to later concede he didn't deny it.

And since you admit Hearn didn't accept the offer, why are you complaining that they didn't send a contract? You're already claiming sending a term sheet would be pointless, so obviously sending a contract would also be pointless. Your own position sinks your position.

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Lol .. it's hilarous the way you talk about the detailed contents of documents you have never seen!

Now you're deflecting because even you now realize how ridiculous it is to claim Hearn wanted the fight next while conveniently "forgetting" to put any language in that would guarantee the fight was next.

Hearn doesn't deny he sent a contract that didn't guarantee the fight was next. You don't deny it either. Everyone is in agreement. Me, you, Hearn and Finkel. Yet you're arguing anyway. Arguing against things you already admitted. It's insane.

As for the contract, yes I have seen it, as have most media members. Finkel has gone out of his way to make sure the media knows he's telling the truth. It's the main reason the media has turned against Hearn so much here in the states. They know for a fact that he's full of **** about the Wilder fight and he's getting the cold shoulder.

[kafkod]

I've made my full time living in the fight game since the late 1990s. What are your credentials? I negotiate fights every day of my life. What are your credentials? I've worked for fighters, I've worked for promoters, I've worked for networks, I've worked as a media member. What are your credentials?

I have no credentials and neither do you. We are both just anonymous guys who post comments on the internet. The difference between us is that I post the truth, as far as I know it, and you post whatever it is that fits your agenda.

[The Big Dunn]

Now you're deflecting because even you now realize how ridiculous it is to claim Hearn wanted the fight next while conveniently "forgetting" to put any language in that would guarantee the fight was next.

Hearn doesn't deny he sent a contract that didn't guarantee the fight was next. You don't deny it either. Everyone is in agreement. Me, you, Hearn and Finkel. Yet you're arguing anyway. Arguing against things you already admitted. It's insane.

As for the contract, yes I have seen it, as have most media members. Finkel has gone out of his way to make sure the media knows he's telling the truth. It's the main reason the media has turned against Hearn so much here in the states. They know for a fact that he's full of **** about the Wilder fight and he's getting the cold shoulder.

Kafkod is a decent poster but he is going to give AJ/Hearn EVERY benefit of the doubt when it comes to them flaking on the Wilder fight.

[kafkod]

Now you're deflecting because even you now realize how ridiculous it is to claim Hearn wanted the fight next while conveniently "forgetting" to put any language in that would guarantee the fight was next.

Hearn doesn't deny he sent a contract that didn't guarantee the fight was next. You don't deny it either. Everyone is in agreement. Me, you, Hearn and Finkel. Yet you're arguing anyway. Arguing against things you already admitted. It's insane.

As for the contract, yes I have seen it, as have most media members. Finkel has gone out of his way to make sure the media knows he's telling the truth. It's the main reason the media has turned against Hearn so much here in the states. They know for a fact that he's full of **** about the Wilder fight and he's getting the cold shoulder.

You have seen nothing, fool, and nobody is turning against Hearn except shills who owe their living to his business rivals.

[kafkod]

Kafkod is a decent poster but he is going to give AJ/Hearn EVERY benefit of the doubt when it comes to them flaking on the Wilder fight.

Thanks for the endorsment mate. And I've told you my position on this farce .. neither side really wanted the fight this year, which is why it didn't get made.

I'm convinced that AJ badly wants it next year, enough to insist that Hearn makes a genuine attempt to get it for him. I'm not so sure about Wilder though. I have a feeling that if he beats Fury, and gets the attention he wants for doing it, he will avoid AJ afterwards and the fight will never happen until one or both of them lose their titles.

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I have no credentials and neither do you. We are both just anonymous guys who post comments on the internet. The difference between us is that I post the truth, as far as I know it, and you post whatever it is that fits your agenda.

You have no way of knowing what the truth is and have no knowledge, experience or education to guess what the truth is.

I post facts. Period. From experience and first hand knowledge. Big difference.

My only agenda is truth. I am paid to explain how the industry works. Not to support any fighter or promotional entity. My client couldn't care less who I argue in favor of, as long as I push the truth.

You don't know how this sport works. I do. I'm explaining it to you. Do with the information as you wish. The more you troll me, the more I get paid. So I can go back and forth with you all day no problem.