how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[Madison Boxing]

We desperately need restrictions on thread creation.

They should restrict your posts dumbass.

[Throwingbombs]

Ortiz isn't as great as Wilder fans like to big him up to be, it's really that simple.

To the guy who said winning the Cuban nationals is harder than winning a European Gold you are seriously ******ed.

Yeah we all know Cuba has one of if not the best amateur system but that statement is still ridiculous particularly at Heavyweight. The eastern Europeans are really starting to dominate this scene over the last few years and then add in the UK fighters German fighters etc the talent depth of the whole of Europe is far greater.

[Commie]

Ortiz was denied his life sustaining drugs
He could have died from a stroke fighting the Windmill POS that's where his "i want a body on my record" sht talk comes from the ugly son of a bîtch was well aware of Ortiz issues

[BLASTER1]

i agree but a lot of the fighters who didnt do much, turned pro relatively young and improved. ortiz was in his prime as an amateur. i just hear people talking as if hes some master boxer who'd give joyce and joshua a boxing lesson yet if we are gonna talk about skilled, hit and not get hit boxing (amateurs places less emphasis on power) they were way ahead of him. Hes not done anything in the pros either, its not as if theres any evidence for anything to back up the way people talk about him.

Why do you keep bringing up Joyce in many of you posts recently.
Is he a guy that we all should be keeping an eye on?

[Commie]

Joshua lost every fight @ London olympics and is a basic roided up ****** just like windmill

[Commie]

Till the mid 90ies national tryouts of Cuba Had stronger competition than the pan ams for example
It aint comparing the size of a Country to a continent area wise

[Commie]

A 91 kg version of Solis is one of the strongest most skillful amateur heavies

[Madison Boxing]

Why do you keep bringing up Joyce in many of you posts recently.
Is he a guy that we all should be keeping an eye on?

yeah, keep an eye on him.

[b00g13man]

They should restrict your posts dumbass.

No need to get upset guy. It's not my fault you constantly make dumbass threads and get trashed in every one.

[Madison Boxing]

No need to get upset guy. It's not my fault you constantly make dumbass threads and get trashed in every one.

****ing clown