how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[Larry the boss]

Takam is a good solid HW. Or was at the time anyway... I didn't see OP giving this undeserved star credibility to him so I couldn't comment but at least AJ had the excuse of it being a mandatory defense.

All fanboys give credit and discredit when it suits them.. example :

The Klitschko that fought AJ was infinitely better than the one that fought fury.. Fury gets all deserved credit for beating the man but AJ only beat a faded over the hill old Wlad even though I'd bet my house that AJ's Klitschko would spank **** out of the Wlad that fury faced.

Ortiz isn't and hasn't been the force wilder fans make him out to be for at least 2 years prior to their fight. His fights against Scott and Allen were painful..truth is ... There isn't really anyone outside of the top two that either side can't discredit in some way or another.

Until AJ wilder...we just don't know.

Personally I feel fury is gonna get absolutely demolished, and due to the current circumstances with his inactivity ..issues and comeback opponents...I won't be giving wilder props for the win if fury fights like he did against seferi and pianeta. The same way I would give Joshua credit or regard him as "lineal" or "the man" of he beat the current fury

Wrong Joshua was just more stationary and had less defense...Fury is a better boxer then Joshua and his movement caused Wlad to not be alb to get his shots off

[BreakingBox]

Who cares about amateur records. It's where they gain experience and learn from their mistakes. It's better to make mistakes in the amateurs, than to rush your professional career.

[4truth]

Ortiz could have achieved a lot more as an amateur if he could have just beaten Odlanier Solis BUT...no

[STREET CLEANER]

Yet the OP tried to make Takam some type of good win for Joshua

As far as I am concerned AJ has only one good win With Parker and it wasn't a good showing.

Wlad was over the hill, had loss already and it was a classic British stoppage.

It was a good fight but it wasn't the best win ever either.

[Rip Chudd]

Who cares? Audley Harrison won Olympic gold and has done crap all as a pro.

[W1LL]

Luis Ortiz is one of the most over-hyped fighters of recent times. "OMG A CUBAN!"

[daggum]

Who cares? Audley Harrison won Olympic gold and has done crap all as a pro.

well ortiz has done crap as a pro and amateur so harrison still has him lol!

[Real King Kong]

There are a lot of top Cuban Amateurs and that are known to be very talented and he won a lot of those tournements yet you slam that??? why?

who are they? who were the talented world class Cuban amateurs in his weight class that he beat. cuba arguably has the best boxing talent in the world, but it's also a very small country...a true picture of the talent pool would depend on who's competing in a weight class at a given time.

[Madison Boxing]

Who cares? Audley Harrison won Olympic gold and has done crap all as a pro.

at least harrison has won something over the course of his career

[KillaCamNZ]

It's a shame World War 2 cost Ortiz so many of his prime years.