how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[b00g13man]

****ing clown

[Jsmooth9876]

2002 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Las, Tunas (95kg):
Defeated Michel Lopez RSC 2
Lost to Odlanier Solis 3:9
2003 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Lost to Michel Lopez 5:20
2005 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Pinar del Rio (91kg):
Defeated Diosmel Manuel Ruiz AB 3
Defeated Yasmany Consuegra AB 3
2005 Panamerican Championships Gold medalist in Teresopolis, Brazil (91kg):
Defeated Francisco Ezcurra (Argentina) KO 1
Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCI 4
2005 World Cup (Team Competition) Silver medalist in Moscow, Russia (91kg)efeated Azer Mamedov (Azerbaijan) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Daniel Vacaru (Romania) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Dmitriy Gotfrid (Kazakhstan) 34-13
Lost to Roman Romanchuk (Russia) 47-64
2005 World Championships quarter-finalist in Mianyang, China (91kg):
Defeated Lukas Viktora (Czech Republic) 30-9
Defeated Viktar Zuyev (Belarus) 46-37
Lost to Alexander Povernov (Germany) RSC-OS 3
2006 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Gold medalist in Bayamo (91kg):
Defeated Yukleidis Fuentes 26:4
Defeated Glendys Hernandez 20:8
Defeated Isael Alvarez 24:10
2008 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Defeated Efren Echemendia 11:1
Defeated Wilson Piel AB 2
Lost to Robert Alfonso 13:0


Looks like he won alot of stuff wouldnt you say?

Winning is coming in first bruh... this ain't little league..

Granted he did finish first in 2 of the ones you posted lol..

[STREET CLEANER]

If AJ oor Whyte would had beat Ortiz it would had been the best win ever.

Wilder beats him in a fight that he was losing and now Ortiz is trash.

[SUBZER0ED]

id understand ortiz dismissing that fight if he hadnt been fighting people like martz, razvan and allen

Maybe the Martz and Allen fights were to keep busy. He did face Wilder after them. The Cojanu fight is understandable, after the loss to Wilder. No need to face the rookie who is calling him out, after having been in a championship fight and having a tune-up afterward.

[Larry the boss]

If AJ oor Whyte would had beat Ortiz it would had been the best win ever.

Wilder beats him in a fight that he was losing and now Ortiz is trash.

Yet the OP tried to make Takam some type of good win for Joshua

[Madison Boxing]

Maybe the Martz and Allen fights were to keep busy. He did face Wilder after them. The Cojanu fight is understandable, after the loss to Wilder. No need to face the rookie who is calling him out, after having been in a championship fight and having a tune-up afterward.

He seems to have a lot of stay busy fights though man lol. If there's some other good fight out there for him then fair enough but if he's gonna fight some.bum instead of Joyce then that's a duck imo

[Larry the boss]

He seems to have a lot of stay busy fights though man lol. If there's some other good fight out there for him then fair enough but if he's gonna fight some.bum instead of Joyce then that's a duck imo

you literally can not duck a guy with 5 fights

[yammy25]

Yet the OP tried to make Takam some type of good win for Joshua

Takam is a good solid HW. Or was at the time anyway... I didn't see OP giving this undeserved star credibility to him so I couldn't comment but at least AJ had the excuse of it being a mandatory defense.

All fanboys give credit and discredit when it suits them.. example :

The Klitschko that fought AJ was infinitely better than the one that fought fury.. Fury gets all deserved credit for beating the man but AJ only beat a faded over the hill old Wlad even though I'd bet my house that AJ's Klitschko would spank **** out of the Wlad that fury faced.

Ortiz isn't and hasn't been the force wilder fans make him out to be for at least 2 years prior to their fight. His fights against Scott and Allen were painful..truth is ... There isn't really anyone outside of the top two that either side can't discredit in some way or another.

Until AJ wilder...we just don't know.

Personally I feel fury is gonna get absolutely demolished, and due to the current circumstances with his inactivity ..issues and comeback opponents...I won't be giving wilder props for the win if fury fights like he did against seferi and pianeta. The same way I would give Joshua credit or regard him as "lineal" or "the man" of he beat the current fury

[Madison Boxing]

you literally can not duck a guy with 5 fights

You can. Ortiz doesn't want anything to do with Joyce

[_Rexy_]

you literally can not duck a guy with 5 fights

especially when nobody has heard of any of the 5 opponents.