how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[Madison Boxing]

Hes talked about like the most skillful, technical fighter out there. Yet he won nothing notable at amateur level and lost to solis five times. He was an amateur till he was 30 (rumours he was older) and won no major titles in almost 400 fights. He was in his boxing prime as an amateur.

His amateur career wasnt even close to joshuas (olympic gold, world championship silver) and joyces (Commonwealth gold, european gold and olympic silver) and they were amateurs for a shorter period of time, joe didnt even start boxing till he was 22 and joshua only had 43 fights. Lets get it straight, u act like these guys arent on his level skill wise yet ortiz was well below these guys on the international scene.

[Pat bateman]

To be fair, with Luis ortiz he was In his forties as an amateur the younger pups outpaced him. He started pro aged 51 and has done alright for himself not great but not bad either.

[DuckAdonis]

Because he actually isnt as great as an amateur as people say he was

[SplitSecond]

Amateur's is a young mans game, everything is taken to eleven with these guys for the 3 rounds. But I don't know Ortiz's story.

[Larry the boss]

Hes talked about like the most skillful, technical fighter out there. Yet he won nothing notable at amateur level and lost to solis five times. He was an amateur till he was 30 (rumours he was older) and won no major titles in almost 400 fights. He was in his boxing prime as an amateur.

His amateur career wasnt even close to joshuas (olympic gold, world championship silver) and joyces (Commonwealth gold, european gold and olympic silver) and they were amateurs for a shorter period of time, joe didnt even start boxing till he was 22 and joshua only had 43 fights. Lets get it straight, u act like these guys arent on his level skill wise yet ortiz was well below these guys on the international scene.

2002 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Las, Tunas (95kg):
Defeated Michel Lopez RSC 2
Lost to Odlanier Solis 3:9
2003 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Lost to Michel Lopez 5:20
2005 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Pinar del Rio (91kg):
Defeated Diosmel Manuel Ruiz AB 3
Defeated Yasmany Consuegra AB 3
2005 Panamerican Championships Gold medalist in Teresopolis, Brazil (91kg):
Defeated Francisco Ezcurra (Argentina) KO 1
Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCI 4
2005 World Cup (Team Competition) Silver medalist in Moscow, Russia (91kg)efeated Azer Mamedov (Azerbaijan) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Daniel Vacaru (Romania) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Dmitriy Gotfrid (Kazakhstan) 34-13
Lost to Roman Romanchuk (Russia) 47-64
2005 World Championships quarter-finalist in Mianyang, China (91kg):
Defeated Lukas Viktora (Czech Republic) 30-9
Defeated Viktar Zuyev (Belarus) 46-37
Lost to Alexander Povernov (Germany) RSC-OS 3
2006 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Gold medalist in Bayamo (91kg):
Defeated Yukleidis Fuentes 26:4
Defeated Glendys Hernandez 20:8
Defeated Isael Alvarez 24:10
2008 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Defeated Efren Echemendia 11:1
Defeated Wilson Piel AB 2
Lost to Robert Alfonso 13:0


Looks like he won alot of stuff wouldnt you say?

[Jubei]

He is getting hyped up by deluded Wilder fangirls hoping to give Wilders laughable protected resume some legitimacy. Ortiz is nothing special, not at all. A very old past prime contender whose best and only decent win is Bryant Jennings.

[TheBigLug]

His style wasn't suited to the amateurs. All those early days sparring with Liston and Floyd Patterson got him stuck in a certain style and didn't help him when he switched to the amateurs 30 years later.

[Madison Boxing]

2002 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Las, Tunas (95kg):
Defeated Michel Lopez RSC 2
Lost to Odlanier Solis 3:9
2003 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Lost to Michel Lopez 5:20
2005 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Pinar del Rio (91kg):
Defeated Diosmel Manuel Ruiz AB 3
Defeated Yasmany Consuegra AB 3
2005 Panamerican Championships Gold medalist in Teresopolis, Brazil (91kg):
Defeated Francisco Ezcurra (Argentina) KO 1
Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCI 4
2005 World Cup (Team Competition) Silver medalist in Moscow, Russia (91kg)efeated Azer Mamedov (Azerbaijan) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Daniel Vacaru (Romania) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Dmitriy Gotfrid (Kazakhstan) 34-13
Lost to Roman Romanchuk (Russia) 47-64
2005 World Championships quarter-finalist in Mianyang, China (91kg):
Defeated Lukas Viktora (Czech Republic) 30-9
Defeated Viktar Zuyev (Belarus) 46-37
Lost to Alexander Povernov (Germany) RSC-OS 3
2006 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Gold medalist in Bayamo (91kg):
Defeated Yukleidis Fuentes 26:4
Defeated Glendys Hernandez 20:8
Defeated Isael Alvarez 24:10
2008 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Defeated Efren Echemendia 11:1
Defeated Wilson Piel AB 2
Lost to Robert Alfonso 13:0


Looks like he won alot of stuff wouldnt you say?

what top international tournaments are they? we are talking the top level of boxing here, olympics and world championships. not some mickey mouse tournaments.

[Larry the boss]

what top international tournaments are they? we are talking the top level of boxing here, olympics and world championships. not some mickey mouse tournaments.

Yet you give Joyce credit for Commonwealth? really?? stop being biased European gold???

[Madison Boxing]

2002 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Las, Tunas (95kg):
Defeated Michel Lopez RSC 2
Lost to Odlanier Solis 3:9
2003 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Lost to Michel Lopez 5:20
2005 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Pinar del Rio (91kg):
Defeated Diosmel Manuel Ruiz AB 3
Defeated Yasmany Consuegra AB 3
2005 Panamerican Championships Gold medalist in Teresopolis, Brazil (91kg):
Defeated Francisco Ezcurra (Argentina) KO 1
Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCI 4
2005 World Cup (Team Competition) Silver medalist in Moscow, Russia (91kg)efeated Azer Mamedov (Azerbaijan) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Daniel Vacaru (Romania) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Dmitriy Gotfrid (Kazakhstan) 34-13
Lost to Roman Romanchuk (Russia) 47-64
2005 World Championships quarter-finalist in Mianyang, China (91kg):
Defeated Lukas Viktora (Czech Republic) 30-9
Defeated Viktar Zuyev (Belarus) 46-37
Lost to Alexander Povernov (Germany) RSC-OS 3
2006 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Gold medalist in Bayamo (91kg):
Defeated Yukleidis Fuentes 26:4
Defeated Glendys Hernandez 20:8
Defeated Isael Alvarez 24:10
2008 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Defeated Efren Echemendia 11:1
Defeated Wilson Piel AB 2
Lost to Robert Alfonso 13:0


Looks like he won alot of stuff wouldnt you say?

and man take a look at some of them fights he lost in even them tournaments. he lost 13-0 and 20-5. he wasnt this elite amateur u guys say he was. in fact hes not proven himself to be elite in anything