how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[Larry the boss]

You can. Ortiz doesn't want anything to do with Joyce

Joyce is irrelevant...

[Larry the boss]

especially when nobody has heard of any of the 5 opponents.

yet OP will not say Whyte ducked Ortiz

[Madison Boxing]

Joyce is irrelevant...

Who else is Ortiz gonna fight then

[Larry the boss]

Who else is Ortiz gonna fight then

Tell Whyte to stop ducking

[Madison Boxing]

Tell Whyte to stop ducking

He just fought Parker who is more proven and a lot younger.

[Larry the boss]

1 .- Dillian Whyte (Jamaica/GB) SILVER
2 .- Luis Ortiz (Cuba)
3 .- Dominic Breazeale (US)
4 .- Tony Bellew (GB)
5 .- Tyson Fury (GB) * CBP/P
6 .- Joseph Parker (New Zealand)
7 .- Agit Kabayel (Germany) EBU
8 .- Dereck Chisora (GB)
9 .- Charles Martin (US)
10 .- Adam Kownacki (US)
11 .- Oscar Rivas (Colombia/Canada) NABF
12 .- Hughie Fury (GB) BBB C
13 .- Andy Ruiz Jr. (Mexico)
14 .- Mariusz Wach (Poland)
15 .- Johann Duhaupas (France)

16 .- Bryant Jennings (US)
17 .- Carlos Takam (Cameroon)
18 .- Kyotaro Fujimoto (Japan) OPBF
19 .- Trevor Bryan (US)
20 .- Sergey Kuzmin (Russia)
21 .- Marco Huck (GB)
22 .- Bermane Stiverne (Haiti/Canada)
23 .- Tony Yoka (France)
24 .- Tomas Adamek (Poland)
25 .- Robert Helenius (Finland)
26 .- Lucas Browne (Australia)
27 .- Gerald Washington (US)
28 .- Daniel Dubois (GB) YOUTH
29 .- Joe Joyce (GB) COMM
30 .- Simon Kean (Canada) FRANCOPHONE
31 .- Filip Hrgovic (Croatia)
32 .- Artur Szpilka (Poland)
33 .- Nathan Gorman (GB) INTL Silver
34 .- Tom Schwarz (Germany)
35 .- Otto Wallin (Sweden)
36 .- Michael Hunter (US)
37 .- Tyrone Spong (Surinam) LATINO
38 .- Izuagbe Ugonoh (Poland)
39 .- Tshibuabua Kalonga (Congo/Germany) ABU
40 .- Pitar Milas (Croatia)

[Larry the boss]

He just fought Parker who is more proven and a lot younger.

Why should Ortiz go out of his way to fight the 29th ranked guy by the WBC?

[Madison Boxing]

Why should Ortiz go out of his way to fight the 29th ranked guy by the WBC?

Almost all of Ortiz recent fights have been against ****ing bums. He fought Dave Allen ffs

[SUBZER0ED]

Takam is a good solid HW. Or was at the time anyway... I didn't see OP giving this undeserved star credibility to him so I couldn't comment but at least AJ had the excuse of it being a mandatory defense.

All fanboys give credit and discredit when it suits them.. example :

The Klitschko that fought AJ was infinitely better than the one that fought fury.. Fury gets all deserved credit for beating the man but AJ only beat a faded over the hill old Wlad even though I'd bet my house that AJ's Klitschko would spank **** out of the Wlad that fury faced.

Ortiz isn't and hasn't been the force wilder fans make him out to be for at least 2 years prior to their fight. His fights against Scott and Allen were painful..truth is ... There isn't really anyone outside of the top two that either side can't discredit in some way or another.

Until AJ wilder...we just don't know.

Personally I feel fury is gonna get absolutely demolished, and due to the current circumstances with his inactivity ..issues and comeback opponents...I won't be giving wilder props for the win if fury fights like he did against seferi and pianeta. The same way I would give Joshua credit or regard him as "lineal" or "the man" of he beat the current fury

AJ haters will never admit that the Wlad who faced him fought far better than the Wlad who faced Fury. Likewise, those same haters won't admit that Fury in his current state is absolutely NOT in top form to face Wilder. It's weird; I know to many, that Wilder's skill level is in serious question and his form is atrocious, but he's good enough to beat a severely compromised Fury. I don't understand how people think the current Fury will beat him. And now with the rumors of Tyson possibly backing out, maybe he knows better himself.

[Larry the boss]

Almost all of Ortiz recent fights have been against ****ing bums. He fought Dave Allen ffs

well he wants Whyte..lol and Whyte fought him right before Ortiz...yet you dont slam him..lol atleast Ortiz stopped him LMFAO!!!!!!