how come ortiz couldnt achieve anything as an amateur?

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

2002 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Las, Tunas (95kg):
Defeated Michel Lopez RSC 2
Lost to Odlanier Solis 3:9
2003 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Lost to Michel Lopez 5:20
2005 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Silver medalist in Pinar del Rio (91kg):
Defeated Diosmel Manuel Ruiz AB 3
Defeated Yasmany Consuegra AB 3
2005 Panamerican Championships Gold medalist in Teresopolis, Brazil (91kg):
Defeated Francisco Ezcurra (Argentina) KO 1
Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCI 4
2005 World Cup (Team Competition) Silver medalist in Moscow, Russia (91kg)efeated Azer Mamedov (Azerbaijan) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Daniel Vacaru (Romania) RSC-OS 2
Defeated Dmitriy Gotfrid (Kazakhstan) 34-13
Lost to Roman Romanchuk (Russia) 47-64
2005 World Championships quarter-finalist in Mianyang, China (91kg):
Defeated Lukas Viktora (Czech Republic) 30-9
Defeated Viktar Zuyev (Belarus) 46-37
Lost to Alexander Povernov (Germany) RSC-OS 3
2006 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Gold medalist in Bayamo (91kg):
Defeated Yukleidis Fuentes 26:4
Defeated Glendys Hernandez 20:8
Defeated Isael Alvarez 24:10
2008 Cuban National Championships (Playa Giron Tournament) Bronze medalist in Holguin (+91kg):
Defeated Efren Echemendia 11:1
Defeated Wilson Piel AB 2
Lost to Robert Alfonso 13:0


Looks like he won alot of stuff wouldnt you say?

You know how these ignorant people from the UK are. If it didn’t happen in the UK it doesn’t count to them

[GGG Gloveking]

Luis Ortiz was actually a multiple time Cuban National Champion in the early days of the Castro regime. However, since he is in his 70s, when the plan was formulated to conceal his true age, the records of old had to be destroyed and altered.

[nubianpiye]

Ortiz isn't very good neither is Wilder. These obsessive Wilder fans setting themselves up for huge disappointment When Wilder loses they'll all abandon him.

[Madison Boxing]

You know how these ignorant people from the UK are. If it didn’t happen in the UK it doesn’t count to them

why couldnt he do it on the international stage like joyce and joshua?

[Madison Boxing]

Ortiz isn't very good neither is Wilder. These obsessive Wilder fans setting themselves up for huge disappointment When Wilder loses they'll all abandon him.

yeah it looked like a low quality fight to me. ortiz looked slow and wilder looked sloppy.

[TheBigLug]

i agree but a lot of the fighters who didnt do much, turned pro relatively young and improved. ortiz was in his prime as an amateur. i just hear people talking as if hes some master boxer who'd give joyce and joshua a boxing lesson yet if we are gonna talk about skilled, hit and not get hit boxing (amateurs places less emphasis on power) they were way ahead of him. Hes not done anything in the pros either, its not as if theres any evidence for anything to back up the way people talk about him.

And?

I'd say in terms of skill, Terrence Crawford is streets ahead of many guys who had far more amateur success and even beat him back then.

Plus as i say, the amateur scoring system was way different when Ortiz was an amateur. Joe Joyce's style probably wouldn't have got him that far with the old amateur scoring system with the computer scoring. It's almost a different game.

[SUBZER0ED]

And yet, they aren't lining up to fight "The Real King Kong" in the pros.

[Madison Boxing]

And?

I'd say in terms of skill, Terrence Crawford is streets ahead of many guys who had far more amateur success and even beat him back then.

Plus as i say, the amateur scoring system was way different when Ortiz was an amateur. Joe Joyce's style probably wouldn't have got him that far with the old amateur scoring system with the computer scoring. It's almost a different game.

crawford turned pro at 20 though not 30 like ortiz. ortiz was in his prime years as an amateur. And the cases are different because at least theres some evidence that crawford is a world class boxer, ortiz hasnt accomplished much in the amateurs and hes not accomplished much in the pros. Everyones basing this fearsome reputation on him beating bryant jennings, its farcical.

[Madison Boxing]

And yet, they aren't lining up to fight "The Real King Kong" in the pros.

joe joyce has called him out. he wants to fight ortiz.

[Larry the boss]

why couldnt he do it on the international stage like joyce and joshua?

He won tournaments all over the world..how is that not the international stage?