Comments Thread For: Golovkin, Hopkins, Monzon: The Record at Middleweight

[kafkod]

It’s silly to say Geale was the Super, he was running from GGG. Only to come back later. No one but GGG haters at the time thought Geale was the better true Champ. To me that **** matters, because Bixing is a game of keep always.

To make it even more complicated Golovkin on saturday will be defending the exact same belt that Monzon and Hopkins won which is the original WBA World Middleweight Champion belt. The WBA Super belt is the newest that didnt exist back then. If Golovkins WBA belt is not legitimate you can argue that Monzons and Hopkins belt is not legitimate neither or you can say that Golovkins WBA Super belt is superior to Monzons and Hopkins WBA and therefor even with less defenses hes achieved more by simply winning superior belts.

the WBA belt has always been legit. THE belt,. not invented secondary WBA ones.

14 I think. Geale was stripped of the title in Nov. 2012 leaving GGG as the sole remaining WBA MW titlist. So it's all his fights from Rosado onwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WBA_world_champions

Either way it's a BS situation caused entirely by the WBAs inconsistency and/or corruption. The 'super' title was formed back in 2001, ostensibly for the purpose of reducing the burden of mandatories on Unified titlists, which although unnecessary (they could have just added a clause to their rules to reduce the number of defenses required for unified champs) at least had some logic behind it.

Then in 2009/10 they changed their rules to allow fighters with 5 or more defenses to become 'super' champs too... there was no logic (although there were allegations of money changing hands) behind this move and the sole beneficiary (at the time) was one Adnan Catic who was due to face a dangerous mandatory, a little known Kazakh called Gennady Golovkin...

Adnan Catic, of course is better known as Felix Sturm, the former German MW cash cow.

The reason for the rule change was revealed by a former employee of Universum, who promoted both Sturm and GGG.

Universum bribed the WBA to change their rules in order to have Sturm promoted to super champ so he didn't have to fight his mando with GGG, who was the interim champion. There had been no WBA super title at MW for 4 years till they did that.

Golovkin was then told that the title he had the right to fight for, as interim champion, had been downgraded to "regular" and was now vacant.

Anybody who knows the facts about that situation, and isn't biased against GGG, will accept that Sturm was a paper champion from that time on, and that Golovkin became the WBA MW champion when he beat Nilson Tapia for the vacant title in 2010.

[DreamFighter]

It's a lot more complicated than that!

There had been no WBA super title at MW for 2 years till GGG was promoted. It disappeared after Geale was stripped for refusing to fight a mando with GGG.

The WBA super title is, or was, supposed to be awarded to unified WBA champions only, according to the WBA rules. By that I mean WBA champs who also held another belt, with another sanctioning body, as well as the WBA. That's why, if you look at the WBA records, the super title appears and disappears from time to time.

So GGG should have become super champ immediately after he won the IBF from Lemieux.

no he became it in 2014, period, as the wiki source says. and by promotion, not a fight , unless you cun.t the geale clash as it

[DreamFighter]

no, you cannot own a title before you win it/are awarded it, even on planet Golovtard.

thats like saying tyson was really HW champ when he was a teenager redoing his high school diploma.

Adnan Catic, of course is better known as Felix Sturm, the former German MW cash cow.

The reason for the rule change was revealed by a former employee of Universum, who promoted both Sturm and GGG.

Universum bribed the WBA to change their rules in order to have Sturm promoted to super champ so he didn't have to fight his mando with GGG, who was the interim champion. There had been no WBA super title at MW for 4 years till they did that.

Golovkin was then told that the title he had the right to fight for, as interim champion, had been downgraded to "regular" and was now vacant.

Anybody who knows the facts about that situation, and isn't biased against GGG, will accept that Sturm was a paper champion from that time on, and that Golovkin became the WBA MW champion when he beat Nilson Tapia for the vacant title in 2010.

[Steven Mccowan]

Haha gotta fookin love how uncomfortable this makes folks. Smh

[Zen_Fighter]

Simple response.... HAGLER!

[kafkod]

no he became it in 2014, period, as the wiki source says. and by promotion, not a fight , unless you cun.t the geale clash as it

That's what I'm saying. There had been no WBA MW super title since 2012, when Geale was stripped of it for not fighting a mando with GGG.

[DreamFighter]

That's what I'm saying. There had been no WBA MW super title since 2012, when Geale was stripped of it for not fighting a mando with GGG.

oh well thats fine, my man, 2014 was the point of GGG becoming a world titlist yes.

[DreamFighter]

Simple response.... HAGLER!

i'd agre hagler would have taken hopkins and GGG.

although the rematch is anyones bet, seeing as Hagler's prime passed faster. All that backwards running, if you ask me.

[kafkod]

no, you cannot own a title before you win it/are awarded it, even on planet Golovtard.

thats like saying tyson was really HW champ when he was a teenager redoing his high school diploma.

As you said in a previous comment - in 2010, GGG won the same WBA MW title that was held by Hagler.

The super title that Sturm held had been literally created out of nowhere by the WBA to protect him from having to fight GGG.

Maybe on planet We Hate Golovkin that's acceptable, but I live on planet Earth.

[kafkod]

i'd agre hagler would have taken hopkins and GGG.

although the rematch is anyones bet, seeing as Hagler's prime passed faster. All that backwards running, if you ask me.

Both prime Hagler and prime GGG would have beaten prime Bhop. They would have been 50/50 against each other. And I'm a big Hagler fan, btw.