Comments Thread For: Golovkin, Hopkins, Monzon: The Record at Middleweight

[Butch.McRae]

I consider him A- bit can see B+... One thing I like is he's getting better and better every fight.

He's got some good combos and head movement. Also hits hard enough you have to respect it. I mean he lit GGG up quite a few times. I've never seen GGG reluctant to go in on anyone until Canelo.

Hell of a fighter, but I reserve that A class for complete/elite guys.

I'm still waiting for Canelo to get a "special" victory. I've yet to see that happen. He's never made me say "Whoa" Who has he beat decisively that was at THAT level? Serious question.

He has a lot of close fights with B level guys. (Again historically B level)

[Shadoww702]

Hell of a fighter, but I reserve that A class for complete/elite guys.

I'm still waiting for Canelo to get a "special" victory. I've yet to see that happen. He's never made me say "Whoa" Who has he beat decisively that was at THAT level? Serious question.

He has a lot of close fights with B level guys. (Again historically B level)

Cant argue with that! I'm with you on that. Now if he knocks GGG out in Sept. then we can review these ratings...

How many rounds you giving Vanes?? I'm betting he wont make it past 7. I think honestly rounds 2 or 3 is all he really lasts.

[Fangedgrowl]

Monzon was the best of the 3

yep agree and Hagler and Robinson beat all 3 of these guys.

[Shadoww702]

Can't mention Golovkin in the same breath as the other two.

I rate GGG top 3 current P4P but best MW of all time??? Not even top 10. Maybe top 20??? Or around 20??

[bigjavi973]

for one its not his 20th title defense because he fought for the interim title vs nunez

like it or not the real champion was felix sturm until he lost to daniel geale in 2012

and since the IBO is not a recognized title, it doesnt count towards his title defenses


so GGG has a total of 8 title defenses since being a legit champ with the WBA, again since there was already a wba champion in sturm:

marco rubio ko 2
martin murray ko 11
willie monroe ko 6
david lemule ko 8
dominic wade ko 2
kell brook ko 5
daniel jacobs UD 12
canelo Draw 12

and now vanes defense



8 is very far away from 20

[kafkod]

"WBA "regular" middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin defends his title against Nilson Julio Tapia on Thursday at the Sport Complex “Daulet” in Astana, Kazakhstan. Three days prior to this appointment, Golovkin is still training very hard to get ready."

https://www.boxingscene.com/photos-gennady-golovkin-trains-tapia-title-defense--33817

I'm sure i've corrected you on this before but you continue repeating incorrect info.

I don't remember being corrected on that before, but I've just looked it up and yes, he was indeed elevated from interim champ before he fought Tapia.

So you scored a point against me, congratulations!

It doesn't mean a damn thing in the context of this discussion doe.

[GhostofDempsey]

Any fighter's record can be dissected and ripped to shreds. Look at Monzon. Fought mostly blown up WWs and fighters who were well past their prime. Made his name off of those ATGs who were washed up or certainly not at their best.

Hopkins hid out at 160 to pad his record against a long string of no-hopers, never-was opponents. Best wins at 160 are two blown up WWs.

Robinson would have kicked all three of their asses, so we could end the argument right there.

[Butch.McRae]

Cant argue with that! I'm with you on that. Now if he knocks GGG out in Sept. then we can review these ratings...

How many rounds you giving Vanes?? I'm betting he wont make it past 7. I think honestly rounds 2 or 3 is all he really lasts.

Hard to tell. Vanes is slicker than many realize. He's gone toe to toe with some truly athletic guys. I can see him delaying the stoppage with some decent movement. But we don't know his conditioning level, and he's definitely not sharp at all. So you could be right about therapy stoppage. Wouldn't surprised me if he made into the middle to late rounds though.

[bigjavi973]

Cliff Rold.....

take some of that lilg jizz of your lips and hands next time you write garbage like this

[Citizen Koba]

I disagree, one cant pretend that non worldtitle fights are title fights just because there is no world champ...or else everytime someone is deposed then someone somewhere is clocking up title defences without winning the title.


you either defend the title that you have, or you dont, you cannot just chose someone to be champ like a new hat to wear though i agree the WBA have been incompetent at times.

Well, that's the thing though isn't it. It kinda depends on whether you consider the 'regular' title a 'world title' or not. If you just choose to consider it another interim or glorified mandatory position without the right to fight for the 'real' title then sure, I guess that's a valid position to hold.

On the other hand one could argue that since the 'real' titlist failed to meet his mandatory requirements - which in any other circumstances would have led to him being striped under the existing rules - then the 'regular' title is actually the more legitimate title of the two.

Like I say. The whole thing's a mess. I've flip flopped and taken both the 8/9 defenses position and the 14 defenses one at different times, the only one I've never really felt comfortable with is the full 19 defenses although a case could be made for that too.

In short the answer is whatever you want it to be. Thank the WBA for that one.