How good is Andre Ward in an all time sense?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Oscar lost fights, was stopped twice, and was never as dominant as Ward. That's just a fact. Oscar barely beat a well past prime Pernell Whitaker and a lot of people think he lost. Oscar literally ran away to survive the last four rounds with Trinidad because he got tired. Ward is a class above whether you like it or not.


Stop pretending other people are using race as a criteria when it's clearly you. You're the only one bringing race into this.

Of course he wasn't as dominant because he took much more risks than Ward. That isn't hard to understand. Someone of your intellect should know that. Pernell wasn't past prime and if you want to put the same standards, many people thought Kovalev won the first fight vs Ward. Was Kessler prime? For years you dudes called Kessler a bum cause Calzaghe beat him, then Ward beats him, Kessler turns into some killer boxer.

Yea Oscar ran like a bitch for 3 rounds, so what?!? You admire guys that do it for the whole fight multiple times.

How can Ward be a class above when he hasn't accomplished what Oscar has? Dude you're just trolling.

As any unbiased person who knows about boxing who between Ward and De La Hoya is the most skilled and you'll get your answer.

I know DelaHoya had a sweet double jab and all, but if he was more skilled than Ward, can you tell me in which area? Is it counter punching skills? Defense? Footwork? Ring IQ?

Can't wait to hear this *watching DelaHoya vs Whitaker in amusement*

It isn't Ward. You must be a millennial because a prime Oscar had some serious skills.

If we're talking prime Oscar, he's better than Ward in defense, ring IQ(not relying on clinching tactics), he knocked a couple of dudes with cp, has a better left hook, and other things. What does Ward do better than a prime Oscar?

On the defense side, he let go of his defense on several occasions cause he wanted to fight toe to toe. Chavez vs him as an example but he had underrated defense. Still think it's better than Ward's considering the competition compared to Ward.

Why do you people make a big deal out of Whitaker vs DLH? DLH won that fight, close but he still won it and it was against one of the best of all time on his 24th fight or so.

[Madison Boxing]

Were you drunk watching those two fights? Ward was whoopin that boy so stop with the lies & excuses. SMH

whoopin that boy?! i had kovalev just ahead at the time of the stoppage, just caught with a decent shot and ref jumped in prematurely after a foul. what the hell is it with this narrative that it was some beatdown before the bull**** stoppage, its a complete load of crap, it was an even fight.

[j.razor]

Laugh but Oscar is undefeated from 130 to 140.

Started to loss against natural bigger guys like Trinidad and Mosley in close or debatable decisions.

Ward just fought one guy outside of 168.


Oscar isn't undefeated since he took 100 times more risk than Dre.

Oscar fighting Hop is just like Dre fighting Klit in terms of mismatch.

So what happened when Oscar fought Pernell Whitaker? Oscar's best win and close was a prime Isufu "Ike" Quartey.

[Larry the boss]

A very good 1st ballot hall of fame fighter but at this point he is not an ATG.. He has alot more work to do..If he can beat Stevenson and become lineal at 175 and beat the up and comers then he would have a case..OR if he were to move up to cruiser weight and win a title there then he would definitely have a strong case..But as of now he is just hall of fame level and that is a great accomplishment

[Scipio2009]

GOAT at 168. No question about that. Don't think he's rated at 175 obviously. First fight with Kovy was too close (honestly could go either way) and Kovy made it clear in 2nd fight that Ward was not unbeatable. Ward was being marked up and probably behind (or even) on most cards despite finishing the fight. Imagine what a Prime RJJ would've done to Ward - absolute massacre

A prime RJJ had clear issues with Montell Griffin/Eddie Futch in the first fight that they had; the rematch ended up being what it was, so whatever.

If you honestly think that Ward/Virgil Hunter couldn't come up with a plan to make the fight competitive, you really need to watch more fights.

[joseph5620]

Of course he wasn't as dominant because he took much more risks than Ward. That isn't hard to understand. Someone of your intellect should know that. Pernell wasn't past prime and if you want to put the same standards, many people thought Kovalev won the first fight vs Ward. Was Kessler prime? For years you dudes called Kessler a bum cause Calzaghe beat him, then Ward beats him, Kessler turns into some killer boxer.

Yea Oscar ran like a bitch for 3 rounds, so what?!? You admire guys that do it for the whole fight multiple times.

How can Ward be a class above when he hasn't accomplished what Oscar has? Dude you're just trolling.





It isn't Ward. You must be a millennial because a prime Oscar had some serious skills.

If we're talking prime Oscar, he's better than Ward in defense, ring IQ(not relying on clinching tactics), he knocked a couple of dudes with cp, has a better left hook, and other things. What does Ward do better than a prime Oscar?

On the defense side, he let go of his defense on several occasions cause he wanted to fight toe to toe. Chavez vs him as an example but he had underrated defense. Still think it's better than Ward's considering the competition compared to Ward.

Why do you people make a big deal out of Whitaker vs DLH? DLH won that fight, close but he still won it and it was against one of the best of all time on his 24th fight or so.

Yes he was which is why he was the underdog. If you can't even admit that Whitaker was past his prime there is nothing else to discuss. All anybody has to do is look at his previous fights before Oscar. He was struggling to beat fighters that wouldn't win a round during his prime.


I also never said Oscar wasn't skilled. I just think Ward is more skilled and unlike Oscar, Ward didn't run from Kovalev to survive.

[Cutthroat]

Oscar is easily greater than Ward and BY FAR! What has Ward done that is greater than what Oscar has accomplished?

Titles in 6 divisions while having one of the toughest resumes in boxing history. Look at Ward's resume and the risks he took aren't as specia

These lower weight classes are a joke, every other day it's some dude moving up in weight, it leaves the divisions weak, there is no stability.

Where guys like Rungvisai pad their records with journeymen, literally fighting guys making their debuts and goes on to beat Chocalatito who they want to put on par with Ward. These guys are actually taken seriously, you get laughed at for doing the same shyt in higher weight classes.

Where guys like Rigo are put down by sub-par punchers.

Where guys like Loma can get absolutely teed off on and not get hurt, if that was a LEGIT puncher like the higher weight classes the man would've been DEAD. These divisions are incredibly safe to fight in.

Pac-Marquez is another example, the same shots Pac could once take flush put him out cold once Marquez put on muscle and added power.

People talk about there being too many weight classes in boxing, the lower divisions are the problem. There is a 25lb gap between 175-200lbs, 175 is 3 divisions in 1. It's what a weight division should be. 175 is the strongest division in boxing, filled with the perfect mix of skill and power, producing guys like Bellew and Vlasov, guys arguably not even top 10 winning titles at cruiser.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yes he was which is why he was the underdog. If you can't even admit that Whitaker was past his prime there is nothing else to discuss. All anybody has to do is look at his previous fight before Oscar.


I also never said Oscar wasn't skilled. I just think Ward is more skilled and Unlike Oscar, Ward didn't run from Kovalev to survive.

Whitaker was still one of the best in the world. How can you be so out of prime and still be considered one of the best? You fail to mention that Whitaker had a highlight knockout a fight prior to DLH, one of the best jabbers ever, one of the best southpaws ever, and also one of the best defensive fighters ever.

How can one of the best defensive boxers of all time be out of prime at 42 fights while being top 2/3 P4P? Look at all the greatest defensive fighters ever, they go beyond 42 fights. This isn't hard to see. I have followed Whitaker's career a lot too, he fell in love with that Oscar money. Oscar did duck the rematch, it's one of the few fights that Oscar ducked. I'm being fair and unbiased here unlike you.

Ward still got outboxed by Kovalev most of the rounds though. Oscar didn't had to rely on low blows to weaken someone and knock them out.

[Metho_4u]

Sullivan Barrera is a better boxer than him.Ward refuses to fight in the marques of queensberry rules and is allowed to get away with elbows,headbutts,knees,takedowns and holding.

Oh wow..."we need a tampon on isle 5 here right away!"

[mlac]

Yes he was which is why he was the underdog. If you can't even admit that Whitaker was past his prime there is nothing else to discuss. All anybody has to do is look at his previous fights before Oscar. He was struggling to beat fighters that wouldn't win a round during his prime.


I also never said Oscar wasn't skilled. I just think Ward is more skilled and unlike Oscar, Ward didn't run from Kovalev to survive.

Im not a fan of delaholic but i certainly appreciate his skills more than Ward's, If ward is so amazing and so skilled, why can't he win a fight without illegal tactics?

Ill answer for you, it's because his whole game-plan revolves around them.
Clinch, potshot single jab, clinch, hit while holding and clinching and rinse and repeat all fight inbetween some lowblows and headbutts if he's feeling up to it...