How good is Andre Ward in an all time sense?

[joseph5620]

Of course not, Oscar is greater atm. Ward can be greater but I don't see it. His skills aren't better nor his resume. Now if Ward happens to win that CW and HW belt, especially against someone like Joshua or whoever is THE guy to beat at HW, oh man! That would be pretty awesome to do and no one can dispute that Ward isn't great. Guess we will see in then coming years.

Oscar is not greater but you can believe what you want lol.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I actually he's miles above Oscar skill wise. Never saw Oscar as a terribly skilled fighter.

No he's not.
How is relying on clinching after a jab more skillful? Oscar held his own against some of the most skillful boxers of all time. I haven't seen Ward do it against other greats besides Froch. The same Froch who anyone with little boxing knowledge could see that fight was in Ward's favor regarding style. Ward got outboxed by Kovalev for the majority of the rounds he fought.

Says a guy that flunked out of Trump University

Ward > Oscar

It could be any black boxer over Oscar for people like you. There are other races/nationalities that can be great also bruh!

[Mr.Fantastic]

Oscar is not greater but you can believe what you want lol.

Oscar is easily greater than Ward and BY FAR! What has Ward done that is greater than what Oscar has accomplished?

Titles in 6 divisions while having one of the toughest resumes in boxing history. Look at Ward's resume and the risks he took aren't as special.


Oscar could be white or black and I'd still would think the same thing unlike you who puts any black boxer on a pedestal.

[KingHippo]

No he's not.
How is relying on clinching after a jab more skillful? Oscar held his own against some of the most skillful boxers of all time. I haven't seen Ward do it against other greats besides Froch. The same Froch who anyone with little boxing knowledge could see that fight was in Ward's favor regarding style. Ward got outboxed by Kovalev for the majority of the rounds he fought.



It could be any black boxer over Oscar for people like you. There are other races/nationalities that can be great also bruh!

Lol, I don't think there's any point arguing with your type.

If you think all there is to Ward's style is clinching, then you dksab. Some of us are just too dumb to truly analyze the game, and by judging from this comment, I can easily see that your boxing IQ is probably in the single digits.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Lol, I don't think there's any point arguing with your type.

If you think all there is to Ward's style is clinching, then you dksab. Some of us are just too dumb to truly analyze the game, and by judging from this comment, I can easily see that your boxing IQ is probably in the single digits.

Ward has other tools too but from all the fights I've seen, he doesn't do anything special. I don't see him being greater than Whitaker, or Hearns, or other greats.

My boxing IQ is higher than what you think. Ask anyone that pays attention to boxing and isn't biased towards a particular group can see that if you have to rely on clinching, your skills aren't as advertised.

[KingHippo]

Ward has other tools too but from all the fights I've seen, he doesn't do anything special. I don't see him being greater than Whitaker, or Hearns, or other greats.

My boxing IQ is higher than what you think. Ask anyone that pays attention to boxing and isn't biased towards a particular group can see that if you have to rely on clinching, your skills aren't as advertised.

As any unbiased person who knows about boxing who between Ward and De La Hoya is the most skilled and you'll get your answer.

I know DelaHoya had a sweet double jab and all, but if he was more skilled than Ward, can you tell me in which area? Is it counter punching skills? Defense? Footwork? Ring IQ?

Can't wait to hear this *watching DelaHoya vs Whitaker in amusement*

[joseph5620]

Oscar is easily greater than Ward and BY FAR! What has Ward done that is greater than what Oscar has accomplished?

Titles in 6 divisions while having one of the toughest resumes in boxing history. Look at Ward's resume and the risks he took aren't as special.


Oscar could be white or black and I'd still would think the same thing unlike you who puts any black boxer on a pedestal.

Oscar lost fights, was stopped twice, and was never as dominant as Ward. That's just a fact. Oscar barely beat a well past prime Pernell Whitaker and a lot of people think he lost. Oscar literally ran away to survive the last four rounds with Trinidad because he got tired. Ward is a class above whether you like it or not.


Stop pretending other people are using race as a criteria when it's clearly you. You're the only one bringing race into this.

[Dodger07]

one of the greatest super middleweights of all time. probably the most accomplished at that weight ever. definitely a hall of famer

[j.razor]

Sullivan Barrera is a better boxer than him.Ward refuses to fight in the marques of queensberry rules and is allowed to get away with elbows,headbutts,knees,takedowns and holding.

You sound like a sore loser. You must be getting lessons from kovalev....lol

[j0zef]

Top 200 is just pure hate. Didn't know you were the type.

I dislike the guy a lot because of his mannerisms, but I am trying to be objective in this regard. As always, the question is who has the beat? Currently, at most you can say is he beat 3 future hall of famers and 1 P4P fighter. Absolutely no ATG level fighters, and even Kessler's inclusion in HoF is highly questionable. You're left 2 with 2 HOF fights - Froch and Kov.

This is not an ATG resume. Compare it to any other ATG fighter you want. Ward doesn't qualify, even if you ignore the dirty fighting accusations.