How good is Andre Ward in an all time sense?

[Mr.Fantastic]

Ward uses his to operate on the inside where as others use it to avoid infighting, that's a skill right there. It allows him to fight at his own pace, had Oscar acquired that skill he wouldn't have had to run against Trinidad.

Ran for 3 rounds but outboxed Trinidad easily for the rest. What's funny is that the judges gave Oscar the 12th round if I remember correctly.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

A very good 1st ballot hall of fame fighter but at this point he is not an ATG.. He has alot more work to do..If he can beat Stevenson and become lineal at 175 and beat the up and comers then he would have a case..OR if he were to move up to cruiser weight and win a title there then he would definitely have a strong case..But as of now he is just hall of fame level and that is a great accomplishment

Agree with this post

[KingHippo]

I dislike the guy a lot because of his mannerisms, but I am trying to be objective in this regard. As always, the question is who has the beat? Currently, at most you can say is he beat 3 future hall of famers and 1 P4P fighter. Absolutely no ATG level fighters, and even Kessler's inclusion in HoF is highly questionable. You're left 2 with 2 HOF fights - Froch and Kov.

This is not an ATG resume. Compare it to any other ATG fighter you want. Ward doesn't qualify, even if you ignore the dirty fighting accusations.

Here is a top 100 ranking. I chose number 50 to 60 just for kicks. Tell me if all these fighters have better resumes than Andre Ward. Especially number 59:

http://www.boxing.com/the_one_hundred_greatest_fighters_of_all_time_part_five_60_51.html

[KingHippo]

Of course he wasn't as dominant because he took much more risks than Ward. That isn't hard to understand. Someone of your intellect should know that. Pernell wasn't past prime and if you want to put the same standards, many people thought Kovalev won the first fight vs Ward. Was Kessler prime? For years you dudes called Kessler a bum cause Calzaghe beat him, then Ward beats him, Kessler turns into some killer boxer.

Yea Oscar ran like a bitch for 3 rounds, so what?!? You admire guys that do it for the whole fight multiple times.

How can Ward be a class above when he hasn't accomplished what Oscar has? Dude you're just trolling.





It isn't Ward. You must be a millennial because a prime Oscar had some serious skills.

If we're talking prime Oscar, he's better than Ward in defense, ring IQ(not relying on clinching tactics), he knocked a couple of dudes with cp, has a better left hook, and other things. What does Ward do better than a prime Oscar?

On the defense side, he let go of his defense on several occasions cause he wanted to fight toe to toe. Chavez vs him as an example but he had underrated defense. Still think it's better than Ward's considering the competition compared to Ward.

Why do you people make a big deal out of Whitaker vs DLH? DLH won that fight, close but he still won it and it was against one of the best of all time on his 24th fight or so.

Yeah, just like I thought, you dksab.

Only a crazy person would think DelaHoya was better defensively than Andre Ward. Ward is more skilled in almost every aspect of the sport.

You have lots of studying to do buddy.

[KingHippo]

I swear I feel like I lose a couple IQ points when I get on this site.

Please, expound on Oscar DelaHoya's skillset for all of us.

[jas]

i think hes top 10 of fighters of the 2000 to 2015 era

1. mayweather jr
2. pac
3. hopkins
4. wladimir
5. morales
6. marquez
7. barrera
8. vitali klitschko
9. andre ward
10. oscar de la hoya
11. felix trinidad
12. rigondeaux
13. mosley
14. calzaghe
15. sergio martinez
16. winky wright
17. castillo
18. corrales
19. bradley
20. froch

[HarvardBlue]

In the age of social media you'll hardly find a consensus on how good Ward or any other boxer is. You have some genuine dissent from some people on here but the majority that don't rate him high are either trolls or butt hurt fans. Ward is one of the few active fighters that's becoming a sure thing in a fight. Meaning, no matter who the competition is he'll find a way win. He's not flashy like Mayweather or someone like Lomachenko but he has a good chance to go undefeated. Judging by the hate he's starting to generate he must doing something right.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yeah, just like I thought, you dksab.

Only a crazy person would think DelaHoya was better defensively than Andre Ward. Ward is more skilled in almost every aspect of the sport.

You have lots of studying to do buddy.

De la Hoya avoided lots of punches from very good boxers that have good timing and speed. I know because I've seen most of his fights. I explained to you on some occasions on why DLH got hit but I'll repeat it again, it's cause he wanted to go toe to toe. Look how he fought Mosley the first time vs the second time. Look how he outboxed Tito and other offensive machines.

You haven't told me **** on what Ward does that's better than DLH and against who it was.

[CatchAndShoot]

Already an ATG, and imo, the best of this generation. How many fighters beat the #1 guy in both of their divisions? None. And not just the #1 guys, but u disputededly the #1 guys. At 168, he wiped out the entire division, and unified like no one else this generation has. At 175, c'mon, he beat the big bad wolf that everyone thought would kill him.

[j0zef]

Here is a top 100 ranking. I chose number 50 to 60 just for kicks. Tell me if all these fighters have better resumes than Andre Ward. Especially number 59:

http://www.boxing.com/the_one_hundre...ive_60_51.html

You're redirecting. I'll restate it again. Ward has no ATG level fighters on his resume, and a maximum of 3 future/possible HoF fighters. He's nowhere near being an ATG.

As for your list, I'm not a boxing historian and can not speak to the accomplishments of a lot of the folks in your link, even though it was an interesting read. From the names I did recognize, Ted Lewis had close to 200 wins and faced a lot of great competition. Holyfield, who had one of the greatest CW runs, before making a huge weight jump to HW and being successful in the Tyson and Lewis eras. And Hopkins, who has several ATG level wins, and has one of the most spectacular, longest runs in boxing history.

Hell, looking at this list, and some other rankings, just makes me reconsider saying that Ward is in Top200. I don't think he is. In your link, George Foreman is #100 and James Toney is #97. Ward is nowhere close to these guys. I take it back, he's not top200.