Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

[robertzimmerman]

Injured? Yeah uhh, go debate elsewhere.

You know his shoulder wasn't 100%.

It wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Floyd was just a better fighter.

Again, it may have been the biggest grossing fight of all time, but that wasn't a huge win.

[IMDAZED]

His performance against Marquez was great, but like he did against Canelo, he took the shine off of the win by his actions which weren't at all necessary.

In your opinion. You only see what you want though. Like whining about weight and ignoring that he himself hadn't fought in two years and was fighting the world's #2 fighter with no tuneup. I say that evens things out, which leaves performance. And that weight excuse for Pacquiao is damn lame that I really don't debate with people who actually bring it up like something viable.

[IMDAZED]

You know his shoulder wasn't 100%.

It wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Floyd was just a better fighter.

Again, it may have been the biggest grossing fight of all time, but that wasn't a huge win.

It wouldn't have mattered but it was the first thing you brought up. If it didn't matter why discuss it? Let's end the conversation, I don't like nonsense.

[BlakBread904]

RJJ no question

[robertzimmerman]

P4P #1 vs P4P #2 that sounds significant to me.

I was a joke that that version of Manny could have been rated that highly.

We all know Manny was a shell of the guy he'd once been.

We saw the fights leading up to his fight with Floyd, the ones against Marquez and Algeri etc.

Floyd had better wins than that.

[IronDanHamza]

I was a joke that that version of Manny could have been rated that highly.

We all know Manny was a shell of the guy he'd once been.

We saw the fights leading up to his fight with Floyd, the ones against Marquez and Algeri etc.

Floyd had better wins than that.

Not really. Maybe in hindsight but hindsight is 20-20. Every single publication or media outlet had him #2 if not lowest #3. He was clearly one of the best fighters in the world at the time arguably the best.

Still 2 years later he was in the top 10 P4P list.

Clearly a great win.

[djtmal]

Yup.

Bottom line, they were all rated highly. And that's what we can measure. Unfair to say one is more faded than the other just because the other mastered the technical aspect and thus could fight better at an advanced age. Just makes him better.

c'mon man...floyd ducked out of the ww division for two years when a lot of those guys were as prime as they were going to be, and they were in there scrapping against each other...it ain't have nothing to do with how technically sound he was...

roy didn't do that

[robertzimmerman]

In your opinion. You only see what you want though. Like whining about weight and ignoring that he himself hadn't fought in two years and was fighting the world's #2 fighter with no tuneup. I say that evens things out, which leaves performance. And that weight excuse for Pacquiao is damn lame that I really don't debate with people who actually bring it up like something viable.

I only see what I want to?

Ha!

What a joke coming from you.

Look how defensive you are.

You're so defensive of Floyd, you can't even see where I've given him credit.

I said his performance against Marquez was GREAT, but he invited criticism due to his actions regarding the weight. And he didn't have to do that. He could have schooled Marquez without pulling that stunt.

It was the same with Canelo. He gave people the opportunity to claim that Canelo was drained. Personally, I don't think he was. Not at all. But he gave people an unnecessary opportunity to claim that. And that was after he'd initially boasted: "We don't care what he rehydrates to. Weight doesn't win fights, skills do. Skills pay the bills" So what was the point of the C-W? Now he could have fought and schooled Canelo even if Canelo had weighed in at 154. He then could have used his rehydration weight to claim huge credit. But like I said, he took the shine off of his wins by unnecessary actions.

[robertzimmerman]

It wouldn't have mattered but it was the first thing you brought up. If it didn't matter why discuss it? Let's end the conversation, I don't like nonsense.

Again, you're on the defensive.

It wouldn't have mattered in my opinion. I think Floyd would always have beaten Manny. But when they finally met, Floyd faced a guy who wasn't 100% fit, who looked like a shell of the guy he'd once been. So I don't see how that was a huge win. I give him more credit for beating Marquez and Oscar.

[robertzimmerman]

Not really. Maybe in hindsight but hindsight is 20-20. Every single publication or media outlet had him #2 if not lowest #3. He was clearly one of the best fighters in the world at the time arguably the best.

Still 2 years later he was in the top 10 P4P list.

Clearly a great win.

We're looking back with hindsight. That's what we're doing. Although, I wasn't fooled at the time. We can't pretend he wasn't iced by Marquez. We can't pretend he was the same fighter he'd once been. He looked noticeably different. I don't see how it was this huge win. What are you saying, you think it was the biggest win of his career?

How could people have put forward an argument for Manny being the best P4P fighter in the world in 2015? I think that's crazy.