Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

[djtmal]

They can't complain when the guy they're fighting is even older.

...and brings the $

[New England]

Love the Mosley win -- first fight versus a welter in three years. And was for the linear title against a man rated #3 p4p.

Cotto was a solid, good win moving up.

DLH...meh.

Marquez was a great win.

you would feel this way

mosley was rated high on the strenght of a win over antonio margarito who was busted loading his gloves.


marquez was 133 in the week leading up to the fight with juan diaz after he fought floyd. he was basically a 130 lber. he looked like absolutely sh#T at welterweight when he fought mayweather.

he hooked up with a steroid guru and went through puberty again. something you'll ignore because you have an agenda clear as day and you want to make floyd mayweather look as good as possible in any situation

[IMDAZED]

...and brings the $

Yup.

Bottom line, they were all rated highly. And that's what we can measure. Unfair to say one is more faded than the other just because the other mastered the technical aspect and thus could fight better at an advanced age. Just makes him better.

[robertzimmerman]

I think people get caught up in the magnitude of DLH vs Mayweather more than where DLH actually was in his career.

If I'm being objective, DLH lost to Felix Sturm in a bout where he looked very bad. Got stopped by Hopkins. No shame there. Beat Mayorga. Cool. Lost to Floyd, looked like crap against Steve Forbes before getting stopped by Pac.

Trinidad lost to Winky Wright... Took time off and then lost to RJJ

I wouldn't call DLH on another level because I don't know who Tito could've beat other than RJJ.

I do know that DLH looked like crap after the 2nd Mosley fight and it went down hill.

I also know that no matter how you cut it, DLH nor Trinidad had any notable wins after they fought Mayweather and Roy respectively

I hear you.

Oscar was faded. He got a gift against Sturm, and he lost to Bernard. But that was at MW. At JMW, he was still a top level fighter. Whereas Tito couldn't even make the agreed upon C-W of 170 pounds against Roy. That's how far gone he was. So we know he couldn't have fought any top tier JMW's or MW's. The fight had no relevance whatsoever.

I understand what you're saying about Forbes and Manny. Although that loss to Manny meant nothing to me. He looked sick at the weigh-in. He didn't even rehydrate any weight.

[robertzimmerman]

Pacquiao win was huge. Canelo was huge. Others were solid victories.

His win over Manny wasn't huge.

In terms of revenue, yes, but otherwise, it had no real significance.

Manny was injured and a shell of the fighter he'd once been.


The Canelo win wasn't huge either. He took the shine off of the win by demanding an unnecessary C-W. Also, Canelo was considered green at the time. Of course, it may be looked back on as a greater win depending on how the rest of Canelo's career plays out.

[robertzimmerman]

No you can't just debate stats, but becoming undisputed champ in a division should account for something when comparing accomplishments between fighters

Sure, but it depends on the circumstances.

[IMDAZED]

His win over Manny wasn't huge.

In terms of revenue, yes, but otherwise, it had no real significance.

Manny was injured and a shell of the fighter he'd once been.


The Canelo win wasn't huge either. He took the shine off of the win by demanding an unnecessary C-W. Also, Canelo was considered green at the time. Of course, it may be looked back on as a greater win depending on how the rest of Canelo's career plays out.

Injured? Yeah uhh, go debate elsewhere.

[robertzimmerman]

Love the Mosley win -- first fight versus a welter in three years. And was for the linear title against a man rated #3 p4p.

Cotto was a solid, good win moving up.

DLH...meh.

Marquez was a great win.

His performance against Marquez was great, but like he did against Canelo, he took the shine off of the win by his actions which weren't at all necessary.

[IronDanHamza]

The WBO were a joke.

Do you remember the Darrin Morris incident?

He sadly died, but moved up their rankings.

They were a laughing stock.

http://assets.espn.go.com/boxing/col...m/1097210.html

Yeah like I said from the start, I won't argue with that.

[IronDanHamza]

His win over Manny wasn't huge.

In terms of revenue, yes, but otherwise, it had no real significance.

Manny was injured and a shell of the fighter he'd once been.


The Canelo win wasn't huge either. He took the shine off of the win by demanding an unnecessary C-W. Also, Canelo was considered green at the time. Of course, it may be looked back on as a greater win depending on how the rest of Canelo's career plays out.

P4P #1 vs P4P #2 that sounds significant to me.