Greater fighter: Roy Jones Jr or Floyd Mayweather?

[IMDAZED]

Yeah it's definitely a good point in fairness.

I think in the mid 00's it became seen as one of the "legit" or "main" belts or whatever.

Yep. Looks like IBO is headed down this route.

[IronDanHamza]

Yep. Looks like IBO is headed down this route.

Ah I hope not.

[hugh grant]

So only prime floyd and roy matters in this convo? Cause roy being knocked out multiple times does matter in his career. Floyd out of his prime was still beating top contenders and champions

Losses out of prime doiesnt matter. Its prime most interested in. When rjjj beat Ruiz it was debated if hecwas as good as srr.
What BH has done outside his prime trumps Floyd. No version of BH beats prime rjjj, doiesnt matter if BH is technically better.

[The Big Dunn]

Losses out of prime doiesnt matter. Its prime most interested in. When rjjj beat Ruiz it was debated if hecwas as good as srr.
What BH has done outside his prime trumps Floyd. No version of BH beats prime rjjj, doiesnt matter if BH is technically better.

then why do media/historians/journalists voting in the polls I showed and others have Floyd ahead of roy, bhop and Manny?

The voters are ethical, unbiased, have different racial and ethnic backgrounds. Ring is owned by ODH who despises Floyd.

Can you explain why Floyd is so far ahead of these men in these polls?

[Chollo Vista]

Oscar was faded when he fought Floyd, but he was completely on another level to the versions of Tito and Lacy who Roy fought.

I think people get caught up in the magnitude of DLH vs Mayweather more than where DLH actually was in his career.

If I'm being objective, DLH lost to Felix Sturm in a bout where he looked very bad. Got stopped by Hopkins. No shame there. Beat Mayorga. Cool. Lost to Floyd, looked like crap against Steve Forbes before getting stopped by Pac.

Trinidad lost to Winky Wright... Took time off and then lost to RJJ

I wouldn't call DLH on another level because I don't know who Tito could've beat other than RJJ.

I do know that DLH looked like crap after the 2nd Mosley fight and it went down hill.

I also know that no matter how you cut it, DLH nor Trinidad had any notable wins after they fought Mayweather and Roy respectively

[Chollo Vista]

Like I said he didn't have the WBO but if you want to argue that the WBO wasn't legitimate at the time then that's fine by me.

Yeah that's my argument. I think Michael Buffer had it right.

WBO was the USBA or North Continental equivalent of today

[Chollo Vista]

So only prime floyd and roy matters in this convo? Cause roy being knocked out multiple times does matter in his career. Floyd out of his prime was still beating top contenders and champions

Sugar Ray Robinson had 19 losses. Do those losses count?

Sugar Ray Leonard lost to Norris and Camacho. Those losses don't count.

Ali lost to Spinks, Holmes and Berbick at the end of his career. Do those losses count?

No because real fans and historians account for said fighters when they were at their best. That's really what matters

[IMDAZED]

Sugar Ray Robinson had 19 losses. Do those losses count?

Sugar Ray Leonard lost to Norris and Camacho. Those losses don't count.

Ali lost to Spinks, Holmes and Berbick at the end of his career. Do those losses count?

No because real fans and historians account for said fighters when they were at their best. That's really what matters

Agreed. However, the wins Mayweather had out of prime deserve major kudos.

[djtmal]

Agreed. However, the wins Mayweather had out of prime deserve major kudos.

canelo...and thats it

even shane oldsley can still beat a flat footed mexican

[IMDAZED]

canelo...and thats it

even shane oldsley can still beat a flat footed mexican

And that's it according to you. Pretty nice win. Could be huge in a couple months.

I'd say all of Floyd's wins over 35 are impressive, minus Guerrero.