Let me give you an idea on how great Roy Jones Jr really was

[Mr.Fantastic]

People forget Jones cheated? I thought NSB was very anti cheater?

[eco1]

Chollo, at last we agree!

RJJ was a beast!

[Boxing Goat]

No offense to you or Charles but.....

Power - meh/so so
Speed - very good
Technique - Very good
Size - good
Ring IQ - decent
Boxing ability - average

Jones had all that and then some. He had freakish power and speed at 160-168. Freakish.

Plus, you are really talking about a guy who lost to lesser fighter by being out boxed at times.

Jones didn't legitimately lose until he was 35 and shot really.

While technically true, let's not forget that Griffin was outboxing him in that first fight. I think Jones had started to turn it around but that DQ punch was a night's worth of frustration dealing with Griffin.

Roy was winning the fight at the time he got dq'd , was never in any danger and was basically knocking out Griffin when he lost. That point is moot. Griffin was an extremely weird fighter to adjust to. Roy got him figured out near the end and it was game over.

[Boxing Goat]

People forget Jones cheated? I thought NSB was very anti cheater?

Roy didn't cheat intentionally. It's well documented as well.

[The Ox]

Thanks for sharing your great wisdom.

No worries mate, let me know if you want more.

[IronDanHamza]

Yea because those club fighters who had lost anywhere between 5 and 17 fights each to other club fighters are better than Jones' competition.......not.

You want to talk about one of Jones' opponents being a trash man at one point, well if you had the opportunity to see what the fighters Charles beat did for a living would probably render you speechless on the subject. Jones was in a better era period. The guys back then fought more but they were nowhere close to better. Honestly do you think Charles could have beaten Joshua or Klitschko? It simply would not have happened.

So I think you are wrong. You think I am wrong. We've been over this. The only difference is that I provided a legitimate reason for the way I think the way I do but all you can do is tell me how he would beat Jones based on what you have read because you didn't actually see him fight live at lhw and there's no footage of it. So how can you tell me you think he beats Jones, who we've all seen and know is great?

You're a fake and think you know someone just because most lists have him ranked top 3 all time. So f@cking what. Joe Louis is ranked higher than Tyson all time but do you think he would beat an absolute prime Tyson? I'll answer for you.....no fkn way.

Really this time, I rest my case and trust me I got no problem that you disagree.

There's loads of footage of Charles at LHW Get a clue man Jesus Christ.

Firstly I never said Charles would beat Jones. I said that would be a great fight and to be honest I would favour Roy in that fight.

What I disputed was you saying that Charles is more known and did more at HW than he did at LHW. That's bull**** and you are outright wrong.

You also disputed that he's considered to be the GOAT at LHW which he is. He's universally considered to be that.

You say that Jone's competition is better than Charles' because you don't know who Charles opponents are. In serious need of research.

Charles went 3-0 with a prime Archie Moore who is considered by most #2 at LHW. You are aware of this right? Plus a list of HOFers at the weight.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Roy didn't cheat intentionally. It's well documented as well.

Taking Andro is no joke. I come from genes where you don't get acne and that **** gave me acne in high school when I took it for a bit. Once I saw that, I stopped taking it.

[Madison Boxing]

Didn't know how to lose?

Get out with that nonsense.

Nobody thinks he was unbeatable just because he didn't lose.

Many other fighters could have gone 46-0 with that resume.

Boxed circles around him? Wow! What about Johnson beating him up and knocking him cold over 4 years earlier?

What about Joe saying in 2007, that a fight would be pointless because Roy had been shot since 2004?

Go and watch Roy when he was at SMW. Joe would never have signed the contract.

thats the thing though, jones was beatable. calzaghe wasnt. respect your opinion but joe would have been too clever for him.

[IronDanHamza]

thats the thing though, jones was beatable. calzaghe wasnt. respect your opinion but joe would have been too clever for him.

How was Jones beatable and Calzaghe not?

Calzaghe lost to Reid in his prime in the opinions of a lots of people.

Roy Jones had no competitive fights in his prime except Griffin 1 which ended inconclusively.

[Grimgash]

This thread has led me to see that Roy is listed as 5'11 on boxrec and Wiki.

Is that correct? I always had him in the 6'2" kinda range. Tall and lanky.

I'd be shocked at 5'11. He seemed short when I met him. Quite a bit compared to me and I'm between 6 and 6'1.