Let me give you an idea on how great Roy Jones Jr really was

[Madison Boxing]

"Did a number on arguably his best win"

Yeah, 15 years later

He arguably lost that fight aswell

joe was no spring chicken then either though. and dont forget he did a job on pavlik in his next fight. its a myth that that fight was close - 'According to CompuBox, Calzaghe landed more punches on Hopkins than any of his previous opponents. Calzaghe landed 232 punches, almost double the amount of punches landed by Hopkins (127)'

[SUBZER0ED]

That's why the Tarver KO was so shocking.

It was like seeing Superman get shot down.

People just weren't ready to see that happen.

Jones's KO loss to Tarver just showed that he had begun to lose his athletic edge. He relied heavily on his athleticism in his prime. His reflexes were ridiculous. Unfortunately, that's the first thing to go as we age.

[robertzimmerman]

joe was being modest. he wasnt a trash talker and was paying roy respect. man you guys overrate jones jr, he was a great fighter but he wasnt superman. his opposition was largely trash consisting of B and C level american fighters and calzaghe did a number on arguably his best win (hopkins). but the thing is you yanks are more familiar with these americans, but not the guys joe beat, so you make the wins out to be better than they really are, his CV is littered with garbage, quit watching the highlight reels and actually study his CV.

What the hell are you talking about you fool?

Ha! Are you for real?


VIEW THE LINKS.


Joe wanted NOTHING to do with Roy when he was anywhere near his best, but he phoned him up and offered him a fight AFTER he'd said he didn't want to fight him anymore because he was SHOT and had been SINCE 2004!


Do you UNDERSTAND???


How can you dismiss those?

How can you ignore what he wrote in his 2007 autobiography?

Ha!


Two more things for you to consider:

1. I'm English.

2. How a fan of Joe's can question Roy's opposition is absolutely laughable.


Joe defended a lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times, with only 7 of those being mandatory defences.

In the late 90's-early 00's, he came down from 190 plus pounds, and literally starved himself to make SMW, even though he knew he couldn't unify the division, and there were no other big fights on the horizon.


You're hilarious.

Joe was fighting guys like Mger Mkrtchyan in his 30's.

When Roy was fighting Ruiz and Tarver, Joe was fighting the Tocker Pudwell's of the world.


Did a number on Hopkins?

Haha!

Roy beat Hopkins with a fractured wrist when Hopkins was 28.

Joe sc****d by him when he was 43.


It's you who needs to look closer at Joe's CV.

He dismissed Roy, Tarver, Dawson and Pavlik, but was more than happy to fight Bika and Manfredo Jnr etc.


This is one of the dumbest, most hilarious posts I've ever read on here.

[robertzimmerman]

If Jones fought B and C fighters then Calzaghe fought G and H level fighters

Seriously, I hope for his own sake he's only trolling for a joke.

[robertzimmerman]

"Did a number on arguably his best win"

Yeah, 15 years later

He arguably lost that fight aswell

When I read that comment of his, I honestly laughed out loud.

[IronDanHamza]

joe was no spring chicken then either though. and dont forget he did a job on pavlik in his next fight. its a myth that that fight was close - 'According to CompuBox, Calzaghe landed more punches on Hopkins than any of his previous opponents. Calzaghe landed 232 punches, almost double the amount of punches landed by Hopkins (127)'

He was way closer to his peak than Hopkins was.

And it was close.

[Madison Boxing]

What the hell are you talking about you fool?

Ha! Are you for real?


VIEW THE LINKS.


Joe wanted NOTHING to do with Roy when he was anywhere near his best, but he phoned him up and offered him a fight AFTER he'd said he didn't want to fight him anymore because he was SHOT and had been SINCE 2004!


Do you UNDERSTAND???


How can you dismiss those?

How can you ignore what he wrote in his 2007 autobiography?

Ha!


Two more things for you to consider:

1. I'm English.

2. How a fan of Joe's can question Roy's opposition is absolutely laughable.


Joe defended a lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times, with only 7 of those being mandatory defences.

In the late 90's-early 00's, he came down from 190 plus pounds, and literally starved himself to make SMW, even though he knew he couldn't unify the division, and there were no other big fights on the horizon.


You're hilarious.

Joe was fighting guys like Mger Mkrtchyan in his 30's.

When Roy was fighting Ruiz and Tarver, Joe was fighting the Tocker Pudwell's of the world.


Did a number on Hopkins?

Haha!

Roy beat Hopkins with a fractured wrist when Hopkins was 28.

Joe sc****d by him when he was 43.


It's you who needs to look closer at Joe's CV.

He dismissed Roy, Tarver, Dawson and Pavlik, but was more than happy to fight Bika and Manfredo Jnr etc.


This is one of the dumbest, most hilarious posts I've ever read on here.

he didnt sc**** by him ffs, landed almost double the punches. people wouldnt fight joe, simple as that. his cv isnt littered with names but theres good wins there. hopkins, kessler, eubank. roy jones jr, jeff lacy. joe whipped them all. you all make out like joe was 20 when he fought hopkins and jones jr. joe was very high risk and low reward so noone wanted to fight. tell me all the great guys jones jr beat? toney was a solid win, yep. so was bernard, but joe beat him too. who else, 40 yr old mike mcallum? you pick out bums that calzaghe fought but ****ing hell have a look at who jones fought, it was the bum of the month club for 99 percent of it. youve watched a 10 min highlight 'ya'll must have forgot' video and you think hes invincible. just check his CV, reads like a whos who of american fringe level fighters of the 90's/00's.

[IronDanHamza]

he didnt sc**** by him ffs, landed almost double the punches. people wouldnt fight joe, simple as that. his cv isnt littered with names but theres good wins there. hopkins, kessler, eubank. roy jones jr, jeff lacy. joe whipped them all. you all make out like joe was 20 when he fought hopkins and jones jr. joe was very high risk and low reward so noone wanted to fight. tell me all the great guys jones jr beat? toney was a solid win, yep. so was bernard, but joe beat him too. who else, 40 yr old mike mcallum? you pick out bums that calzaghe fought but ****ing hell have a look at who jones fought, it was the bum of the month club for 99 percent of it. youve watched a 10 min highlight 'ya'll must have forgot' video and you think hes invincible. just check his CV, reads like a whos who of american fringe level fighters of the 90's/00's.

"People wouldn't fight joe"

What an absolute crock of ****

And Calzaghe only fought 3 fighters ranked in the top 5 in his pathetic career. To compare his opposition to Jones's is laughable.

[yngwie]

Roy didn't avoid those fighters at all.

You need to look at the timelines, and you need to know Roy's circumstances at the time, and what was happening behind the scenes.

You can't just throw names around.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what you've typed is nonsense. Most of those fights weren't viable, others were pointless, and Eubank admitted that he didn't pursue any of the big name U.S. fighters, which included him saying: "Fighting Roy at his best would have been suicide" Like Calzaghe who came after him, Eubank was just content to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt on Sky and ITV.

I'm fully aware of the fact that Eubank knew that Jones would kill him and the he blatantly avoided top guys during his prime (besides Benn and Watson) but how can it be that all those names were around the time of Jones and he didn't faced any of them despite them facing each other frequently?.
I know that it is almost impossible to make all the big fights, but look at all those names and when you can have arguments regarding the time of their activity, I find weird that not a single one of them could get in the ring with Jones when they would usually get in the ring with each other.

Roy Jones was an incredibly talented boxer and I usually defend him when people said that he was all athletiscm or that he didn't faced no one, but there are huge holes in his resume.

[robertzimmerman]

he didnt sc**** by him ffs, landed almost double the punches. people wouldnt fight joe, simple as that. his cv isnt littered with names but theres good wins there. hopkins, kessler, eubank. roy jones jr, jeff lacy. joe whipped them all. you all make out like joe was 20 when he fought hopkins and jones jr. joe was very high risk and low reward so noone wanted to fight. tell me all the great guys jones jr beat? toney was a solid win, yep. so was bernard, but joe beat him too. who else, 40 yr old mike mcallum? you pick out bums that calzaghe fought but ****ing hell have a look at who jones fought, it was the bum of the month club for 99 percent of it. youve watched a 10 min highlight 'ya'll must have forgot' video and you think hes invincible. just check his CV, reads like a whos who of american fringe level fighters of the 90's/00's.

Yes, he did sc**** by him.

It was quality vs quantity.

It was a horrible, close S/D.

Enzo Calzaghe thought that Joe had lost.


People wouldn't fight Joe?

Until he beat Lacy in 2006, he was a relatively unknown WBO belt holder.

He was insignificant outside of the U.S. fighting guys like Mario Veit for around £700,000. And he was more than happy to take those fights. Do you think he was unlucky to still be fighting the Mkrtchyan's of the world in his early 30's? That's what he wanted. And we know that by him bragging of his number of WBO defences, and by him saying he didn't want tough fights, as per the link I posted.


Regarding their resumes, do you really want to do H2H?

Yes, Roy had a few keep busy fights against low level opponents.

Yes, he fought a few low level mandatories. But they were mandatories, and after he'd unified, he had mandatory obligations from the WBC, IBF and the WBA.

Again, Joe defended his WBO belt 21 times, with only 7 of those being mandatories. Which means that he was more than willing to fight those other 14 fights. And go and look at who he fought in some of those bouts.

No, Roy didn't fight a huge number of truly great fighters, but he dominated world class LHW's, who were either former champs, or who would go on to be future champs, despite the fact that he was a former MW.

He moved up and beat a top 10 HW with ease, when he was 34, and had fought almost 50 fights. And he did so being outweighed by over 30 pounds, and even more in natural weight. He then burnt muscle to drop back down to reclaim the LHW titles, and made history in doing so. How common is it for a former MW to win a version of the HW title? Joe doesn't have any wins that can surpass that, not under the circumstances.

Again, Joe is the guy who had a walking around weight of 190 plus, who literally starved himself to make weight, to fight in a relatively weak division for 14 years. 14 years! That showed a complete lack of ambition. Why did he do that, when he could have targeted better fighters at LHW, much earlier? The answer to that question is obvious: Because he wanted an easy ride.

Despite carrying on way past his best and losing a lot of fights, Roy's resume is still superior to Joe's resume.


No, I haven't watched any highlight reels. I lived through both of their careers.


All you need to know about Joe is the following:

In 1999, he wasn't chasing Roy as he didn't want tough fights.

In 2007, he laughed that Roy was past his best in a live interview on Setanta Sports, and he wrote in his autobiography that a fight was pointless due to Roy being shot since 2004.

In 2008, he phoned him up to offer him a fight.


You don't need to be Columbo to figure out his actions.

It's quite clear: He was a scavenger, feeding off the scraps of something that had already been killed.

It was pathetic.