Where does Mayweather rank realistically on an all time list?

[BIG GUNZ]

Non of us posting here watched Robinson's career we can't taste him highly based on someone elses opinion. Louis has a terrible resume foreman had a great resume but didn't accomplish more than Floyd we can go back and forth

Yeah, it's really all up to personal opinion. But I think if we're being realistic the vast majority of people wouldn't put Floyd in the top 3. I just think the bottom of the top 10 or right outside seems to be the best fit for him. I feel like he's the Kobe Bryant of Boxing where he was great but he'll never be considered right at the top above guys like Jordan, Kareem, Russell or Magic & is pretty much usually placed at the bottom of the top 10 or outside of it around the 11-15 range.

[LetOutTheCage]

How are any of those names better than anything Floyd did. Did you just name Shumenov with a straight face? Also giving credit for losing to Roy?

Come on man.

Who did Mayweather face that was as talented and as dominant as prime Jones? How many times was Mayweather an underdog in a fight?It's all about the timing, Hopkins fought most of those guys in their prime when he clearly wasn't in his (Think he fought Shumenov when he was 49, winning another belt in the process).

Mayweather is far more gifted than Hopkins, but for me Hopkins was far more courageous and took the tougher tests. That's why he gets the nod.

[hugh grant]

Who did Mayweather face that was as talented and as dominant as prime Jones? How many times was Mayweather an underdog in a fight?It's all about the timing, Hopkins fought most of those guys in their prime when he clearly wasn't in his (Think he fought Shumenov when he was 49, winning another belt in the process).

Mayweather is far more gifted than Hopkins, but for me Hopkins was far more courageous and took the tougher tests. That's why he gets the nod.

BH is above Floyd for me as well.
The guys BH was beating recentky are a's good as most of the fighters Floyd faced in his 6 fight contract.
Floyd floating ng around the top 20 and BH as well.

[Johnwoo8686]

Who did Mayweather face that was as talented and as dominant as prime Jones? How many times was Mayweather an underdog in a fight?It's all about the timing, Hopkins fought most of those guys in their prime when he clearly wasn't in his (Think he fought Shumenov when he was 49, winning another belt in the process).

Mayweather is far more gifted than Hopkins, but for me Hopkins was far more courageous and took the tougher tests. That's why he gets the nod.

It's not only about facing the stiffest competition, it's about beating them as well. If you just base it off resume, Darnell Boone would be considered a top fighter because he faced Ward, Kovalev, and Stevenson all in their primes but he lost to all of them as well.

Floyd has a better title fight streak than B Hop, he beat everyone he faced unlike B Hop, and competed in more weight divisions than Hopkins.

[LetOutTheCage]

It's not only about facing the stiffest competition, it's about beating them as well. If you just base it off resume, Darnell Boone would be considered a top fighter because he faced Ward, Kovalev, and Stevenson all in their primes but he lost to all of them as well.

Floyd has a better title fight streak than B Hop, he beat everyone he faced unlike B Hop, and competed in more weight divisions than Hopkins.

And Hopkins did beat many of the top fighters I mentioned tbf, he was beating them and winning belts. There's no shame to lose to a fighter like Kovalev who was destroying everyone and arguably should still be unbeaten, especially given how old he was when he took the challenge.

[hugh grant]

Being un beaten doesnt mean anything to anyo e other than the ego of the unbeaten fighter, so it shouldn't even be mentioned when assesing or praising Floyd. Especially so when nobody thinks he's unbeaten anyway. He lost to Castillo, he lost to maidana as well many believe. People don't even think he really beat PAC and dlh. Did he fight the toughrest opponents avasilabke? Well, no he fought berto instead of brook or Thurman.
How many risks did Floyd take? Dlh at 154 was but too little too late! Did he fight hatton at his best weight, cw with green nelo, past prime ssm and dlh, so not too many. How many prime fighters diud he fight and beat and how good were they in the first place? Did he fight abroad? Your not going to get decisions abroad. Floyd chasing kos in people backyards you might as well add a few more losses on Floyd's resume.
You could go on and on. That's why BH and PAC above Floyd.

[b00g13man]

Who did Mayweather face that was as talented and as dominant as prime Jones? How many times was Mayweather an underdog in a fight?It's all about the timing, Hopkins fought most of those guys in their prime when he clearly wasn't in his (Think he fought Shumenov when he was 49, winning another belt in the process).

Mayweather is far more gifted than Hopkins, but for me Hopkins was far more courageous and took the tougher tests. That's why he gets the nod.

He lost to Jones. You don't get credit for Ls. Who exactly would Floyd have been an underdog against? Names please. You're penalising him for being "too good".

Stop mentioning Shumenov. It's embarrassing.

[hugh grant]

He lost to Jones. You don't get credit for Ls. Who exactly would Floyd have been an underdog against? Names please. You're penalising him for being "too good".

Stop mentioning Shumenov. It's embarrassing.

Its not hard to find a fighter you'd be under dog against but Floyd never tried hard enough, not willing to take risks. Fight GGG. Fight Sergio Martinez. He diudnt fight toughest opponents available. Fight brook instead of berto. Yes brook would be underdog but hres better than berto. So if your going to fight underdogs fight the strongest underdog at least
If Floyd fought people nearer their primes he wouldn't be such a favourite anyway. When PAC was destroying everyone before beijng koed by jmm it would be toss up who'd win in most opinions. Same for dlh and SSM. Fight nelo now. In their primes. So floyd isn't above BH just cos he has thoise names on his CV.
BH is above Floyd as he fought prime fighters when BH was advanced in age.
BH is greater than Floyd as he dared to be great. He fought kovalev. Floyd on the other hand saiusaiud he's earnt the right to fight berto? Sums it up for me

[LetOutTheCage]

He lost to Jones. You don't get credit for Ls. Who exactly would Floyd have been an underdog against? Names please. You're penalising him for being "too good".

Stop mentioning Shumenov. It's embarrassing.

And there lies the problem, you don't think Hopkins should gets credit for taking on Kovalev at 49? Wasn't he the first fighter to take Kovalev past 8 rounds?

Should Calzaghe be considered great also? After all he has Roy Jones and Hopkins on his resume...No of course he shouldn't! because Jones was washed up when he fought him and he arguably should of lost to Hopkins imo. Its not about penalizing Mayweather for being too good, he gets less respect because of when he fought his opponents. Timing is an important factor.

[b00g13man]

And there lies the problem, you don't think Hopkins should gets credit for taking on Kovalev at 49? Wasn't he the first fighter to take Kovalev past 8 rounds?

Should Calzaghe be considered great also? After all he has Roy Jones and Hopkins on his resume...No of course he shouldn't! because Jones was washed up when he fought him and he arguably should of lost to Hopkins imo. Its not about penalizing Mayweather for being too good, he gets less respect because of when he fought his opponents. Timing is an important factor.

Credit doesn't equate to greatness. Even with the "less respect" you give to Floyd, his resume stil pisses all over Hopkins. It's not even a conversation.