Comments Thread For: Gennady Golovkin's Promoter on Facing Jacobs, Canelo, Chavez Jr.

[_Maxi]

Maybe GGG's biggest value is as an opponent for a big name. His fans seem to see him as a Manny or Cotto -a guy who is a both a solid PPV headliner as the a side but when he is the b side helps drive sales extremely high. I don't know if he is.

Thats why I think its unfair to say he deserves so much. He can fill an arena when the tickets are priced at "boxing match" level. However, can he do that when the tickets are priced at "event" level?

Doesn't matter. Is he in the fight that can generate 100 million dollars? yes or no? yes. So, does he deserve only 10? well, it's up to you. It's not like canelo has many options to reach 1 million. Mayweather had many options that's why he only payed Maidana a few millions.

[Shadoww702]

Yes you have



That's a bad depiction.

Maidana had just beaten an undefeated Adrien Broner. Broner who was supposed to be the next coming of Mayweather. There was a storyline.

When Floyd fought Berto, he was coming off of one of the most boring mega-fights in boxing history and mainstream viewers were done with him. The Berto fight was a throw away.

The examples you provided aren't the same.

Now we have Jacobs vs Golovkin.

Jacobs had a HUGE win against Quillin in 80 something seconds. There's a story line. Daniel Jacobs is a bigger threat to Golovkin, than Berto was to Mayweather in a throw away fight.

You guys clamor about Golovkin selling out stadiums, being a HUGE star, etc, but you say GGG can't sell 300k vs Jacobs, yet he deserves over 10 million against Canelo?

Kind of hard to demand more than $10,000,000 when U don't even think you'll clear $7 million TOTAL for a major fight with Jacobs... I don't see anyone bidding more than $5 million for this fight. And NO ONE outside K2 is going to bid more to give 75% to GGG for a 1 fight LOAN while YOU have to spend $$$$ and time doing all the PROMOTOR work. smh.

[_Maxi]

Was he also telling an incomplete truth when he asked the WBA for an extension because he & Haymon were close to making a deal? A month later and still no deal. A month later and they're as far apart as they were a month ago

WTF fallacy is this? Maybe they were close, maybe they are still close, who knows.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Canelo vs Golovkin is estimated to generate at least 1 million PPV buys, which is at least 75 million dollars ppv alone (not counting international tv fees, gate, etc). And you expect GGG to accept just 10 millions flat fee? you must be a hater.

What numbers are you using to estimate 1 million buys? GGG's previous PPV? Cotto's pervious PPV high without Floyd or Manny was 600k. Canelo's previous PPV high without Floyd was 350k. Together they did 900k. GGG's PPV high is 150k. What methodology are you using (besides hope) to estimate 1mil buys?

But you'll use Jacobs 8k at Barclays and 300k viewing to determine his worth. Which makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is not using GGG's 150k to determine his PPV worth. Ward & Kovalev did 160k. Using your logic a fight with either of those two against Canelo would generate 1.5mil buys.

And GGG vs. Canelo isn't the biggest fight in boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko is. GGG vs Canelo isn't even the biggest fight in boxing for Canelo. He could fight Chavez Jr & make a hell of a lot more money. I'd hate to see that fight but I understand it would make a ton of money

[_Maxi]

Yes you have

No I didn't and you should shut up, you got owned.

That's a bad depiction.

Maidana had just beaten an undefeated Adrien Broner. Broner who was supposed to be the next coming of Mayweather. There was a storyline.

When Floyd fought Berto, he was coming off of one of the most boring mega-fights in boxing history and mainstream viewers were done with him. The Berto fight was a throw away.

The examples you provided aren't the same.

Now we have Jacobs vs Golovkin.

Jacobs had a HUGE win against Quillin in 80 something seconds. There's a story line. Daniel Jacobs is a bigger threat to Golovkin, than Berto was to Mayweather in a throw away fight.

You guys clamor about Golovkin selling out stadiums, being a HUGE star, etc, but you say GGG can't sell 300k vs Jacobs, yet he deserves over 10 million against Canelo?

Oh and do you think there's not a story behind Golovkin vs Canelo?

Golovkin being the unified MW champion who made Canelo invite him to the ring, tell him you want the belts? come and get it, and then proceed to vacate one week later with the whole boxing world calling him a ***** and the fight becoming the biggest fight in boxing.

The Golovkin Canelo story is bigger than any other story right now.

[Chollo Vista]

They didn't pull this Danny Jacobs stuff.

What Danny Jacobs stuff?

You don't have purview to not one detail regarding the negotiations. Not one spec, clause or financial detail. Absolutely nothing.

For all we know, MSG vs Barclay's could be the hold up. Or maybe Golovkin wants all the rights to the PPV, who knows?

Maybe Tom pushed to delay the purse bid because he knows that once the negotiation details were made public, he and his team would be toast.

But what you're trying to do right now, is if the fight isn't made, place the blame on Daniel Jacobs regardless of who's at fault. That's piss poor thinking.

Tom Loeffler is on record saying that there's $$$ in this fight. I don't care what some guy named Eastcoast tends to think.

If GGG is a PPV star, sells out stadiums and is 2% what his fan base makes him out to be, then he can at least get 300k PPV's against Jacobs and get him his money.

We'll know more wants the fight is made or not made and once negotiation details comes out. But for you to automatically blame Daniel Jacobs for being at fault without having no purview to the negotiation details is asinine.

[_Maxi]

What numbers are you using to estimate 1 million buys? GGG's previous PPV? Cotto's pervious PPV high without Floyd or Manny was 600k. Canelo's previous PPV high without Floyd was 350k. Together they did 900k. GGG's PPV high is 150k. What methodology are you using (besides hope) to estimate 1mil buys?

But you'll use Jacobs 8k at Barclays and 300k viewing to determine his worth. Which makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is not using GGG's 150k to determine his PPV worth. Ward & Kovalev did 160k. Using your logic a fight with either of those two against Canelo would generate 1.5mil buys.

And GGG vs. Canelo isn't the biggest fight in boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko is. GGG vs Canelo isn't even the biggest fight in boxing for Canelo. He could fight Chavez Jr & make a hell of a lot more money. I'd hate to see that fight but I understand it would make a ton of money

That's why I'm talking about Golovkin deserving less then 10 millions guaranteed, but a % split of the PPV.

So in that case, if it's truth that the fight will only sell 500-600k, he gets some type of money, and if the fight sells one million as some estimate, then he makes more. I said 7 millions guaranteed and 35% of the PPV. Even better, just give the man 3 millions guaranteed and 35% of the PPV, I'm sure it will end up being more than 10 millions.

That's what I'm saying, read my previous posts ******.

Yes, he can fight Chavez jr. But will he agree to 164 or 168? I don't think he wants to be there with a man that is bigger than him by that much difference.

[Shadoww702]

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They don't care who he fights as long as he fights 3-4 times a year. They're content seeing him fight 3-4 bums a year. They're complaining now because he hasn't fought since September. They'd rather see him fight Heiland in December than negotiate with a better fighter in Jacobs.

The Willie Monroe Jr fight showed his team's true colors. That fight was signed & made within two weeks of his previous fight. They didn't attempt to negotiate with anyone else. When they had a chance to take a voluntary. When HBO said here's your date, just get an opponent, they fought Willie Monroe Jr & paid him $100,000. Never attempting to fight a better opponent. That fight was signed and announced two weeks after his previous fight.

That is TRULY sad to hear...At his age you would think his fans would want more from him??? What's comical is they bring up Salka, Berto, Liam Smith fights yet are ok with GGG fighting HUGE mismatches.

Betting odds

100-3 Salka vs. Garcia
100-1 GGg vs. Wade

[bigdunny1]

K2/GGG are like the crazy chick we all know who can't keep a man. Every few months she gets dumped by a new guy after all kinds of drama. Each time she says it was all his fault and trashes him. Year after year same cycle. After a while it stops being about all these guys being jerks and you have to look at the broad and say what the f is wrong with you! You the common denominator here. Fans been asking GGG to take bigger and better fights for 5 years now. K2 what F is wrong with you! Stop accusing every other fighter of ducking you. You just have a shyt bag promoter who can't make big fights.

[Chollo Vista]

No I didn't and you should shut up, you got owned.

Oh and do you think there's not a story behind Golovkin vs Canelo?

Golovkin being the unified MW champion who made Canelo invite him to the ring, tell him you want the belts? come and get it, and then proceed to vacate one week later with the whole boxing world calling him a ***** and the fight becoming the biggest fight in boxing.

The Golovkin Canelo story is bigger than any other story right now.

I never said Canelo vs GGG isn't a bigger fight than GGG vs Jacobs.

But when you say that GGG is this big star, then the least he can do is 300k vs Jacobs. If he can't, then he doesn't deserve the purse he's asking for against Canelo.