Why is it when people mention GGG moving up Hagler is brought up?

[j0zef]

Hopkins didn't move up until he was 40.
Hagler didn't move up because there was no SMW.
Golovkin is not 40, and he's not moving up to SMW because that's the worst division in today's boxing.

[Redd Foxx]

The problem is that 168 is a a weak division. He has no reason to move up, his legacy would be better staying at MW becoming the undisputed champ and chasing Canelo, jacobs, etc the opponents at 168 are not legacy defining.

Canelo is not at 160 and, bigger point, taking on greater challenges IS legacy defining.

[Nay_Sayer]

There was no 168 division when Hagler was fighting...Leonard won the first recognized title there in 1988. Do people even know the history of the sport? Hagler would had had to jump straight to 175(which would have been chasing greatness)

The G-String Divas know that ass-whippings await Bumlovkin the moment he dares fight a live body @ 168lbs...

[SilverMiles]

Hopkins tried to move from 160 to 175 to fight the p4p #1 fighter in the world. (Roy jones jr). I guess you wasn't watching boxing back then.

Negotiations failed and hopkins went on to lose to taylor before going to 175 for tarver.

Just some facts and history of the last great middleweight champion trying to do what you laugh at golovkin attempting.

Nobody is asking gennady to do anything that hasn't been tried before, so cut the ****

This is a lie. Hopkins wanted a catchweight.

[frantic fighter]

This is a lie. Hopkins wanted a catchweight.

Yeah,but unlike Golovkin, Hopkins was willing to also appease smaller fighters (odlh) with a catchweight as well.

[SilverMiles]

Yeah,but unlike Golovkin, Hopkins was willing to also appease smaller fighters (odlh) with a catchweight as well.

Yeah kind of like Golovkin offering to come to 154 for Floyd.

Hopkins wasn't offering catchweight to career Jr. Middleweights. He offered a catchweight to a fighter who won his first title at 130lbs and brought in a **** ton of cash.

[OnePunch]

You serious? Absolutely! Andrade, Williams, Canelo, and the Charlos are going places, maybe not all of them, but 154 is quickly turning into the best division in boxing (just give it a year to ripen) and some of those names will carry on into the future. Lara is known for being a big challenge, hell he's Canelo's best win.
Regarding 168, Jack, Degale, and Ramirez are more meaningful than anyone at 160 right now.

Yes, as far as GG goes, I think he's just coasting toward retirement and isn't concerned about the legacy factor. Since fans are obsessed with this and think these guys are superheroes though, legacy is always a relevant topic worth discussing.

I think that in a historical sense, "moving up" meant alot more than it does these days. And I think in the future it will mean even less. Guys like Broner have pretty much made it virtually meaningless by choosing the softest champs to pick belts off. No different than Jones choosing Ruiz to lift a belt off, and then never defending it. Yes, its in the history books, but I dont believe for a second that 50 years from now people will be watching Jones vs. Ruiz or Broner vs Paulie with awe and wonder........

[frantic fighter]

Yeah kind of like Golovkin offering to come to 154 for Floyd.

Hopkins wasn't offering catchweight to career Jr. Middleweights. He offered a catchweight to a fighter who won his first title at 130lbs and brought in a **** ton of cash.

Kell Brook was a career welterweight not a junior middle weight. Oscar hadn't been a junior lightweight for 12 to 13 years at the time that he fought Hopkins. Oscar had been a champion at junior middle weight and middle weight before fighting Hopkins. Once Golovkin demanded a catchweight of 164lbs for Ward his entire statement regarding weights that he would be willing to fight in became invalid.

[SilverMiles]

Kell Brook was a career welterweight not a junior middle weight. Oscar hadn't been a junior lightweight for 12 to 13 years at the time that he fought Hopkins. Oscar had been a champion at junior middle weight and middle weight before fighting Hopkins. Once Golovkin demanded a catchweight of 164lbs for Ward his entire statement regarding weights that he would be willing to fight in became invalid.

All I've read is a bunch of excuses on why you hold different fighters to different standards.

[TOBYLEE1]

There was no 168 division when Hagler was fighting...Leonard won the first recognized title there in 1988. Do people even know the history of the sport? Hagler would had had to jump straight to 175(which would have been chasing greatness)

Pac brought a new generation of fans (which is a good thing) that don't know much about the sport so they think that that is the standard of boxing


I remember when owning the division was more important