Why is it when people mention GGG moving up Hagler is brought up?

[!! Shawn]

There is a long list of greats who didn't move up. Hagler, Locche, Pryor, Kostya Tszyu, Willie Pep, and many more.

I don't understand why most people dont get that most fighters that move up, dont move up to challenge themselves, they move up because they can't make the weight anymore.

People tend to put on weight as they age, and fill out. When you have fighters turning pro at 18, most of them are not going to finish their career at the weight they were when they were 18.

I mean how many of us here posting are even the same weight we were when we were 18?

Most the fighters that move up all these weights turned pro very young. Some fighters just filled out to their natural weight very young, and didn't really fill out during their careers. Take Tyson as an example. Even though he was a heavyweight. He pretty much filled out to his full size by the time he was 13.

GGG is 34, he has done all his filling out. He doesn't struggle to make 160, it the weight his body is most comfortable at. He moved up in weight from 142 to 165lb in the amateurs durring the age range when most fighters are moving up in weight as pro's.

Maybe he jumps to 168 at the end of his career. But all this talk of all these other fighters challenging themselves by jumping up in weight is usually nonsense.

Like I posted previously. I can count on one hand the number of fighters who legitimately moved up in weight for a challenge, who were comfortable making a lower weight still.

[nacho daddy]

There was no 168 division when Hagler was fighting...Leonard won the first recognized title there in 1988. Do people even know the history of the sport? Hagler would had had to jump straight to 175(which would have been chasing greatness)

haglers toughest and biggest fights were against LW WW's JM's. that's why and you know it

[muslimer12]

Canelo is not at 160 and, bigger point, taking on greater challenges IS legacy defining.

Unless GGG wants to move up to 175 to fight Ward and Kova, then staying at 160 is his best bet to get the best fights. MOving up to 168 will neither give him a legacy win or generate any big ppvs or anything.

[bluepete]

Hopkins tried to move up before he lost tho. He was negotiating a fight with the p4p king roy jones jr at 175.

They just couldn't agree on the money. Hopkins wanted 50/50. Roy wanted 60/40.

People like to conviently leave that part out when making an argument

Hopkins also made numerous references to Roy being too big for him.There are always reasons..The point is he didn't move up until he had to,at a more advanced age than GGG,so have some patience.There's a obsession in holding Golovkin to a different standard.Canelo and Ward also have their wins against guys there own size.Wards fighting Kovalev now because 175 is now his division.

[bluepete]

haglers toughest and biggest fights were against LW WW's JM's. that's why and you know it

That's a great point.

[bluepete]

Only because he did the same to someone two divisions smaller.

Brook did it to himself ,and the opening was only there because Eubank backed out.Michael Nunn did it to a guy two divisions smaller and 7 inches shorter on Starling.Its not some terrible sin.

[The plunger man]

I don't even know if Marvin is 5 9, he looks the same height as Roberto Duran. He is just a small man at MW. I mean Marvin can't even make 175 now, how was he supposed to move up if he can't hit 170. GGG is 173 on fight night.

Marvin hagler actually weighed 163lbs at the start of his pro career and yes moving up he would have been at a disadvantage being smaller than the 175lb fighters...but wasn't Leonard, Duran,mugabi at a disadvantage when they faced hagler seeing as they were the smaller fighters .....so it's not ok for hagler to be at a disadvantage against spinks but it's ok for golovkin to be at a disadvantage against a kovalev or Ward lol....just another note of interest Leonard faced donny lalonde who was 6ft 2 and a light heavyweight champion and Leonard was a natural 147lb fighter.....so if your gonna slate golovkin then slate hagler because he did exactly the same

[soul_survivor]

Hopkins also started at light heavyweight. Just like Ward fought at 178lb in the amateurs.

Is it really moving up when you are just going back to where you started at?

Is it really moving up and challenging yourself when you are just moving up as your body fills out?

I think the only fighters in recent times who legitimately moved up would be Pacquiao, Marquez, Chocolatito, and Calderon, perhaps Vic Darchinyan as well.

These are guys that had to work to keep the weight on, who would walk around at a lighter weight if they weren't actively working to keep extra size on.

Does anyone think Broner draining himself to make 130 the moving up to 147 was him moving up, instead of him finally not being able to drain himself that much anymore?

Same with Floyd. The only time he really moved up was for Canelo/Oscar, 1 of which he had a catch weight.

I mean if he was really moving up in weight, would have have missed the catch weight vs Marquez if he was naturally a smaller guy?

No... Floyd grew into a WW. Andre Ward was a Light heavy who boiled himself down to 168 for most of his career.

Lomachenko started a weight class bellow where he won his last medal, then moved back up to where he had been fighting at.

I don't agree with this entirely but you make some good points.

Theres a different between a fighter actually packing on the muscle and a fighter moving to a division where he naturally feels more comfortable.

[OnePunch]

Marvin hagler actually weighed 163lbs at the start of his pro career and yes moving up he would have been at a disadvantage being smaller than the 175lb fighters...but wasn't Leonard, Duran,mugabi at a disadvantage when they faced hagler seeing as they were the smaller fighters .....so it's not ok for hagler to be at a disadvantage against spinks but it's ok for golovkin to be at a disadvantage against a kovalev or Ward lol....just another note of interest Leonard faced donny lalonde who was 6ft 2 and a light heavyweight champion and Leonard was a natural 147lb fighter.....so if your gonna slate golovkin then slate hagler because he did exactly the same

leonard also demanded a catchweight in the lalonde fight......

[Larry the boss]

leonard also demanded a catchweight in the lalonde fight......

That was because they were fighting for 2 title in 2 different divisions..168 and 175..Leonard won the first real title at 168