How intelligent is Bob Arum?

[Weebler I]

Well he's still alive and ballin at 193 years of age, so he can't be that ******.

As to PBC, Haymon is probably biding his time. He's good at playing the percentages, we're not going to get rid of him that easily.

[Kigali]

actually haymon is getting squeezed out. that is why guys like glowacki are getting sold off to usyk and bj flores fed to bellew, arroyo fed to chocolatito and wade to ggg. haymon has no dates.

arum be signing 2016 olympians like concecao, conlan etc to go with their loaded 2012 class while haymon hasn't signed anyone and seen his 2012 class like breazeale, herring etc fall apart.

thats why haymon lost nbc, is losing espn after they get the last of the money he owes them on the contract etc. pbc is dying but haymon can keep a nice roster on showtime. too bad with banner getting dates he doesn't have it on lock anymore.

[Kigali]

Well he's still alive and ballin at 193 years of age, so he can't be that ******.

As to PBC, Haymon is probably biding his time. He's good at playing the percentages, we're not going to get rid of him that easily.

Who is "we" little hater????

The Pa.kistani community

[IronDanHamza]

Arum's very intelligent and business savvy but he's also quite old fashioned and stuck in his ways.

You'd expect that though from a guy that's almost 85.

[original zero]

"lockdown" is a good term for showtime....they've barely had any fights this year

sHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING brought us the following fights this year:

WBC WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Deontay Wilder vs Artur Szpilka

IBF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Charles Martin vs Vyacheslav Glazkov

SUPER WBA WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Leo Santa Cruz vs Kiko Martinez

WBC WORLD SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Julio Ceja vs Hugo Ruiz

WBC WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Gary Russell Jr vs Patrick Hyland

IBF WORLD JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jose Pedraza vs Stephen Smith

WBC WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Badou Jack vs Lucian Bute

IBF WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
James DeGale vs Rogelio Medina

WBA WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Erislandy Lara vs Vanes Martirosyan

IBF WORLD JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jermall Charlo vs Austin Trout

WBC WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jermell Charlo vs John Jackson

IBF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Anthony Joshua vs Dominic Breazeale

WBA WORLD WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter

SUPER WBA WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Leo Santa Cruz vs Carl Frampton


And Showtime is planning 2-3 more major events before the year is over . . .

[Kigali]

sHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING brought us the following fights this year:

WBC WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Deontay Wilder vs Artur Szpilka

IBF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Charles Martin vs Vyacheslav Glazkov

SUPER WBA WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Leo Santa Cruz vs Kiko Martinez

WBC WORLD SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Julio Ceja vs Hugo Ruiz

WBC WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Gary Russell Jr vs Patrick Hyland

IBF WORLD JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jose Pedraza vs Stephen Smith

WBC WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Badou Jack vs Lucian Bute

IBF WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
James DeGale vs Rogelio Medina

WBA WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Erislandy Lara vs Vanes Martirosyan

IBF WORLD JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jermall Charlo vs Austin Trout

WBC WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Jermell Charlo vs John Jackson

IBF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Anthony Joshua vs Dominic Breazeale

WBA WORLD WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Keith Thurman vs Shawn Porter

SUPER WBA WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP
Leo Santa Cruz vs Carl Frampton


And Showtime is planning 2-3 more major events before the year is over . . .

You owned that chump.

[!! Shawn]

He's been around boxing forever. Some believe Top Rank is the best at developing fighters.

Does anybody think he is dumb enough to continue discussions with a "broke entity" like Haymon/PBC or is he merely more informed than the media and general public?

I'm no fan of Bob but I highly doubt he wastes any time talking to Haymon if he knows PBC is over.

Seems like the only ones saying PBC is over are a few ugly faces in the media... both boxing and MMA. Smh

The best time to negotiate is when someone needs the money.

[glenn mcrory]

Quality and quantity. Here's a simple test; go to whatever ratings system that you trust, line up all of the weight classes, and compare the fighters with Haymon/in Haymon's orbit to the fighters with Arum.

ESPN has a boxing poll (take their editorial staff for what it is)

200lbs+: Wilder[WBC], Joshua[IBF], Stiverne

200lbs: Huck, Bellew[WBC], Glowacki

175lbs: Stevenson[WBC], Beterbiev, Alvarez, Cleverly[wba], SmithJr

168lbs: DeGale[IBF], Jack[WBC], Dirrell, Dirrell, Groves, Smith, Bute

160lbs: Jacobs[wba], Lee, Quillin, Khurtsidze

154lbs: Lara[WBA], Andrade, Charlo[WBC], Charlo[IBF], Trout, Martirosyan, Williams

147lbs: Thurman[WBA], Brook[IBF], Danny Garcia[WBC], Porter, Spence, Khan, Peterson

140lbs: Broner, Burns[WBA], MolinaJr, Provodnikov, Mikey Garcia

135lbs: Zlaticanin[WBC], Crolla, EasterJr[IBF], Barthelemy, Shafikov

130lbs: Pedraza[IBF], Martinez, Cherry

126lbs: Frampton[WBA], Santa Cruz, RussellJr[WBC], Selby[IBF], Mares, Cuellar[wba]

122lbs: Ruiz, Quigg, Guzman, Ceja

118lbs: Warren[WBA], McDonnell[wba], Payano, Kameda

{{no real significance for Haymon at 115lbs or below}}

Haymon's not going to win every fight, but he's going to win more than he loses, in a world where Arum basically has no margin for error at any weight class.

Lomachenko, at 130lbs, is arguably the only fighter that Arum has that beats Haymon's top fighter at any weight class. nice try though

Haymons orbit, thats nice. So now fighters who have never even fought on his shows get put in there because "its possible". Arum cant cover the bases because he doesn't have many fighters but he can do a lot of damage in particular divisions just with guys like Donaire, Magdaleno, Valdez, Lomachenko, Ramirez and Gvozdyk. Head-to-head match ups he'll win most. He doesn't have a stable of 200+ of which max 20 are relevant.

lol Joshua?
I remember that one time Joshua fought on a Haymon card, oh wait it didnt happen? I was dreaming? The only connection would be Hearn cherrypicking Haymon heavyweight prospect bumland for stiffs to feed to Joshua.

Brook came in here with the intention of making Haymon cry by beating up Porter is he really on his side?
Crolla, who just lost to GBP Linares? Sure you want to accept that one? Shafikov is not Haymon. Fighting on their shows especially as the opponent doesn't mean youre with them. Quigg hasn't even fought in the US.

Ive noticed Haymon has a lot of the fluff but none of the crop.
HW: Wilders a joke.
CW: Glowacki just got owned by Usyk.
LHW: All his LHWs are running from Kovalev.
SMW: DeGale lost to Medina and all the other guys suck. His best guys there are going life and death with shot Bute. Ramirez has a good shot at cleaning out.
MW: All scared of Golovkin.
JMW: Best fighter practically already lost to Alvarez. Trash belt-holders that get schooled by the likes of John Jackson and Austin Trout.
WW: Brook whooped Porter instead of basically losing to him like Thurman did.
JWW: That list is full of bums. Burns got whooped by Beltran.
LW: Shafikov had a razor-sharp close fight with Barthelemy. Terrible division. Mikey was with TR who brought him up all the way but I'll give you this one though Lomachenko has a good chance of cleaning up here.
SFW: So many fighters whoop those fighters.
FW: Lomachenko had already cleaned out his stable before he went up but Valdez has a good shot at taking over for him.
SBW: Most of those guys would lose to Donaire. Maybe even to Magdaleno. Ruiz was recently owned and destroyed by ancient fossil Hozumi Hazegawa.
BW: Probably all get knocked out by Yamanaka.

[killakali]

There are already at least 4 shows being looked at for November, with every interested party talking about the schedule filling in for December and into January/February 2017.

Don't run and hide when your doomsaying ends up being for not.

those are low budget fs1 shows and 2 mid level spike cards. relax lol.

NBC is just going to have their two more fights they are owed so they can get that fat pbc check in jan/feb instead of nov/dec. Espn is doing the same next year. Just collecting that fat pbc $$ although this year pbc turned espn cards into fs1 level cards. No more Keith Thurmans and Leo Santa Cruz-Abner Mares level fights in 2016 on ESPN.

The only big fight cards this year will be on non pbc network Showtime who buys fights and isnt part of #freeboxingforall as was the former mantra of pbc

[killakali]

Quality and quantity. Here's a simple test; go to whatever ratings system that you trust, line up all of the weight classes, and compare the fighters with Haymon/in Haymon's orbit to the fighters with Arum.

ESPN has a boxing poll (take their editorial staff for what it is)

200lbs+: Wilder[WBC], Joshua[IBF], Stiverne

200lbs: Huck, Bellew[WBC], Glowacki

175lbs: Stevenson[WBC], Beterbiev, Alvarez, Cleverly[wba], SmithJr

168lbs: DeGale[IBF], Jack[WBC], Dirrell, Dirrell, Groves, Smith, Bute

160lbs: Jacobs[wba], Lee, Quillin, Khurtsidze

154lbs: Lara[WBA], Andrade, Charlo[WBC], Charlo[IBF], Trout, Martirosyan, Williams

147lbs: Thurman[WBA], Brook[IBF], Danny Garcia[WBC], Porter, Spence, Khan, Peterson

140lbs: Broner, Burns[WBA], MolinaJr, Provodnikov, Mikey Garcia

135lbs: Zlaticanin[WBC], Crolla, EasterJr[IBF], Barthelemy, Shafikov

130lbs: Pedraza[IBF], Martinez, Cherry

126lbs: Frampton[WBA], Santa Cruz, RussellJr[WBC], Selby[IBF], Mares, Cuellar[wba]

122lbs: Ruiz, Quigg, Guzman, Ceja

118lbs: Warren[WBA], McDonnell[wba], Payano, Kameda

{{no real significance for Haymon at 115lbs or below}}

Haymon's not going to win every fight, but he's going to win more than he loses, in a world where Arum basically has no margin for error at any weight class.

Lomachenko, at 130lbs, is arguably the only fighter that Arum has that beats Haymon's top fighter at any weight class. nice try though

why do you list so many fighters who aren't with Haymon? Start from heavyweight and go down: Joshua, Stiverne, Huck, Bellew, Cleverly, Joe Smith Jr, Groves, Callum Smith, Lee, Khurtiside, Andrade, Brook, Ricky Burns, Provodnikov, Crolla, Shafikov, Quigg and McDowell are all not with Haymon. Any promoter can make fights with those guys smh.