How intelligent is Bob Arum?

[killakali]

Haymon already has more TV dates with Showtime than Arum has with HBO, and that's without counting the PBC dates. nice try though.

pbc is dead and gone lol. look at 3rd and 4th qtr 2016 dates. all he has is showtime which is still substantial. he can just slash 100-150 from his stable and make it work. keep about 50-60 guys

[original zero]

most of the fighters are still in the building stage and not hbo level but that is why hes trying to add showtime.

haymon has showtime on lockdown.

and enough fighters past the building stage to fill as many dates as showtime had to offer.

arum is being slowly squeezed out of the business and he knows it.

[killakali]

Showtime has the boxing budget/dates to keep 50-60 fighters active?

nope. haymon doesn't have the ppv stars hbo has but they can farm out a few fights to hbo or to europe like when he just sold out glowacki to usyk and is selling out bj flores to tony bellew

[killakali]

haymon has showtime on lockdown.

and enough fighters past the building stage to fill as many dates as showtime had to offer.

arum is being slowly squeezed out of the business and he knows it.

actually haymon is getting squeezed out. that is why guys like glowacki are getting sold off to usyk and bj flores fed to bellew, arroyo fed to chocolatito and wade to ggg. haymon has no dates.

arum be signing 2016 olympians like concecao, conlan etc to go with their loaded 2012 class while haymon hasn't signed anyone and seen his 2012 class like breazeale, herring etc fall apart.

thats why haymon lost nbc, is losing espn after they get the last of the money he owes them on the contract etc. pbc is dying but haymon can keep a nice roster on showtime. too bad with banner getting dates he doesn't have it on lock anymore.

[original zero]

"actually haymon is getting squeezed out."

hahahaha he has more power and more champions than ever. arum is becoming a man without a home. oscar has one fighter.

how is haymon getting squeezed out if he has more control of US boxing than ever before?

[Sup]

smart but he aint outsmart haymon and shaffer..

How so?

Haymon's business is dying and Schaefer literally has 0 fighters in his stable.

[Hype job]

haymon has showtime on lockdown.

and enough fighters past the building stage to fill as many dates as showtime had to offer.

arum is being slowly squeezed out of the business and he knows it.

Squeezed out of a dying sport

[Mitchell Kane]

haymon has showtime on lockdown.

and enough fighters past the building stage to fill as many dates as showtime had to offer.

arum is being slowly squeezed out of the business and he knows it.

"lockdown" is a good term for showtime....they've barely had any fights this year and their ratings are still down.

[Scipio2009]

This **** again...
You mean number or quality?
Even with his minimally-sized stable, Arum's fighters lay out Haymon's so he will always be looked at as the inferior product because his fighters literally lose every time they go up against another promoters fighters. He just added Glowacki-Usyk to his resume of fight failures. He makes stuff like Linares beating Crolla (Golden Boy vs Hearn) look impossible. Literally cannot win one to save his life.

And he got all the other ones because of cucks.




Fixed it for you.

Quality and quantity. Here's a simple test; go to whatever ratings system that you trust, line up all of the weight classes, and compare the fighters with Haymon/in Haymon's orbit to the fighters with Arum.

ESPN has a boxing poll (take their editorial staff for what it is)

200lbs+: Wilder[WBC], Joshua[IBF], Stiverne

200lbs: Huck, Bellew[WBC], Glowacki

175lbs: Stevenson[WBC], Beterbiev, Alvarez, Cleverly[wba], SmithJr

168lbs: DeGale[IBF], Jack[WBC], Dirrell, Dirrell, Groves, Smith, Bute

160lbs: Jacobs[wba], Lee, Quillin, Khurtsidze

154lbs: Lara[WBA], Andrade, Charlo[WBC], Charlo[IBF], Trout, Martirosyan, Williams

147lbs: Thurman[WBA], Brook[IBF], Danny Garcia[WBC], Porter, Spence, Khan, Peterson

140lbs: Broner, Burns[WBA], MolinaJr, Provodnikov, Mikey Garcia

135lbs: Zlaticanin[WBC], Crolla, EasterJr[IBF], Barthelemy, Shafikov

130lbs: Pedraza[IBF], Martinez, Cherry

126lbs: Frampton[WBA], Santa Cruz, RussellJr[WBC], Selby[IBF], Mares, Cuellar[wba]

122lbs: Ruiz, Quigg, Guzman, Ceja

118lbs: Warren[WBA], McDonnell[wba], Payano, Kameda

{{no real significance for Haymon at 115lbs or below}}

Haymon's not going to win every fight, but he's going to win more than he loses, in a world where Arum basically has no margin for error at any weight class.

Lomachenko, at 130lbs, is arguably the only fighter that Arum has that beats Haymon's top fighter at any weight class. nice try though

[Scipio2009]

pbc is dead and gone lol. look at 3rd and 4th qtr 2016 dates. all he has is showtime which is still substantial. he can just slash 100-150 from his stable and make it work. keep about 50-60 guys

There are already at least 4 shows being looked at for November, with every interested party talking about the schedule filling in for December and into January/February 2017.

Don't run and hide when your doomsaying ends up being for not.